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  1. I'm of the same mind. Needs to get involved more. Make or break year for him I reckon.
  2. Amusing is one word to describe them.
  3. No, it's called My pal. Also features one of the great lines in all of rock - you're my only friend, and you don't even like me. You might be thinking of this song, by another young Australian rock band, albeit much more recent and all young women:
  4. What is up with your triggering nonsense? You think posters claiming we choked, will slide, are poorly coached, have a boring game plan, have missed our window, im being a realist, just telling it like it is, yada yada, yada is triggering? How long have you been posting on Demonland? That's been the majority view on this site ever since I started posting way back in 2011. We lose round one, and I'm sure the is Goodwin the right coach thread will come roaring back (spoiler alert for 90% of people posting the answer was, and will be, no) Anyone who posts on Demonland has well and truly had their triggering innoculations against that sort of palaver. In fact, in my experience, it is the contrary view - ie we wont slide, we'll likely make top 4, the reality is we won a flag teo seasons ago and finished top 4 in the last 3 seasons, we have a brutally effective game plan other teams have coped, accuracy cost us, etc etc- that actually triggers people. There's a psychological concept called projection. Might be worth looking into.
  5. Spot on. Nothing wrong with some social media fodder. But its ridiculous if that's all there is. And its not as if anything is going to go viral, and even if it did it is not like it would bring any new fans to the team or sell any more memberships. Football clubs are not like a product that could suddenly become popular on the back of some tik tok trend like lyft nicotine pouches. Comms need mutiple strategies in markets where you are trying to reach diverse demographics, interest levels and age ranges. I'm not on social media, so the contest designed for it is of no value for me. And even if I was it wouldn't hold my interest. So much could be done for basically nothing. As you say, interviews are not only a no brainer, surely they are the bare minimum fans can expect. And it needn't be just players- line coaches, data analysts, fitness team could all provide an interesting insight. I can't recall there being so few interviews in a preseason in the internet era. What's going on? Check freo's website. They have at 20 plus interviews up. Yes, they have an advantage Yes, they have an advantage of being in a two team town, and most interviews are small port training pressers with local media. But still.
  6. Really? I had well and truly forgotten that. But i do remember it included non musical samples, which was very rare in 1968. Maybe Eno was doing it? But few others, not even the Beatles. Well ahead of its time - such sampling has become a staple of electronic and dance music (i'm a sucker for such samples, partic spoken works ones). It's strange Molly didn't produce more records.
  7. Johnny Young of Young talent time? I had forgotten that.
  8. The real thing def has a case. Cracking song, that stills stand up. Produced by Molly Meldrum.
  9. Nup. Though the song was released somewhere around my birthday, so i'm no spring chicken. In addition to all the great sixties and seventies rock, this is was what i listening to in my misspent youth (by the by this is the greatest Australian rock song IMHO - crazy to think they were 16 when this was released in 1988):
  10. All fair points. I agree he could improve his marking. I'm sure he will as he is so obviously driven. I have only been to one training session this year but I could not have been more impressed with his marking, particularly in one on one drills with key defenders. He out muscled and out marked May right in front of me and i loudy sledged May with the old too big, too strong call - much to Maysie's displeasure, who (correctly) pointed out the ball was kicked to JVRs advantage. In terms of tricks in the bag, I'd reiterate two points i made earlier that I think are areas he has real edge in. For a young KPF in his first full season at AFL level, he did a hell of a lot of rucking. I watched him at Casey at the beginning of his first season and his ruck skills were average. By the end of that season they were pretty good. But last season I thought they were excellent - particularly his tap work. Great he has the skills, even better that he obviously dud the work to develop them. None of the other young key forwards did anywhere near as much rucking as he did, some not at all, other than occasional forward 50 throw ins. And whilst i concede this may well be confirmation bias, my recollection is all the young KPFs mentioned, with the possible exception of Logan McDonald are decidely average in the ruck - particularly both King brothers. JVR will only improve his ruck skills as he gets stronger and bigger (he has another 3-4 years of incremental growth) and as he keeps honing his craft. That is a big string to his bow - and point of difference - particularly in a period where every team is playing a ruck and forward/ruck. Personally I'd like to see him ruck less this season (so he doesn't get smashed and worn out so much - that might be a factor in his marks per game average). But in two to three years time he could become a real weapon in the duel role. If your KPF is as rubbish at rucking as the King brothers, teams are forced to bring in a player like Lobb. So having a key forward who can ruck to a high level is a big advantage. Particularly if your main, or second ruck gets injured. Also, when JVR is fully filled out he will be a beast and be a weapon at inside 50 ruck contests the way Hawkins has been for the last few years. The other point of difference is his tackling numbers. With tackles inside 50 being so important now, having a KPF tackling twice as often as his peers is a big tick. This particular conversation started with a comment by me that not all is doom and gloom in terms of our supposed forward line woes as in addition to Fritter, JVR (who surely we can agree, if not the best, is ONE of of the best young forwards) will go up a couple of levels. Which, for me points to another curious element in the logic of some who think we will slide because other teams will improve. Why curious? Because the implication is we won't. Yes we have key players like maxy and maysie in the back end of their career. But EVERY team does. But that is more than balanced out by the likely natural progression and improvement of established best 22 players like JVR, Koz, Sparrow, Rivers, Chandler, McVee and Bowser. And under Goody, every seaon a young player has come into the side and established themselves as a best 22 player and improved the side - some like Bowser and mcvee from left field. Any one of Woey, Howes, Laurie, Turner, Adams, Sestan or Monez-Wakefield could be such a player And of course, so could one of the first year players like the colt or Windsor.
  11. Two other stats that that jump out are disposal efficiency and tackles. JVR averages twice as many tackels as Ugle Hagen, McDonald and Amiss - again not surprising given his competiveness and how ferocious his attack's on the ball and man is. And his disposal efficiency is significantly better than that of Ugle Hagen, McDonald and Amiss - particularly UE, who in his career goes at a woeful 56.3% to JVR's impressive 78.2%. Good kicking is good football.
  12. I noted that the fact JVR has been in the AFL system for a year less than Ugle Hagen reinforces my confidence in JVR going to another level this season. Van Ruin has HUGE upside (not to say UE doesn't). So, out of interest i compared JVRs 2023 season (his second in the AFL system) with Ugle Hagens 2022 season, which was also his second in the AFL system. That gives the fairest possible comparison i think. The same number of years in the system, comparing both at the same age, almost identical roles (bar the ruck work JVR did), and a full season's average stats. JVR shades Ugle Hagen in the majority of categories. By the by, one stats jumps out in all four comparisons i've posted - JVR smashes, Ugle Hagen, McDonald and Amiss for one percenters. Which doesn't surprise me becuase one of thing i most love about JVR is how competitive he is. As he gets bigger and stronger that will give him a big competitive advantage. Ugle Hagen on the other hand has faced some criticism for not being hard at it. Player Statistics Comparison Jacob Van Rooyen Name Jamarra Ugle-Hagan Melbourne Demons Team Western Bulldogs Forward Position Forward 20 Career Games 45 Claremont Origin Oakleigh Chargers April 16, 2003 Date of Birth April 4, 2002 20yr 9mth Age Turned 20 in 2022 193cm Height 197cm 96kg Weight 91kg 2021 National Draft Last Drafted In 2020 National Draft Round 1, Pick #19 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #1 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Western Bulldogs Career Stats for Season 2022 20 Games 17 4.5 Kicks 5.9 4.2 Handballs 2.0 8.7 Disposals 7.9 3.1 Marks 3.5 1.4 Goals 1.1 0.5 Behinds 0.9 2.1 Tackles 1.1 3.7 Hitouts 0.2 1.2 Inside 50s 1.9 0.3 Goal Assists 0.1 0.9 Frees For 0.6 0.8 Frees Against 0.3 4.3 Contested Possessions 3.6 4.8 Uncontested Possessions 4.5 6.8 Effective Disposals 4.7 78.2% Disposal Efficiency % 59.5% 1.6 Clangers 1.9 0.9 Contested Marks 1.0 1.5 Marks Inside 50 1.8 0.3 Clearances 0 0 Rebound 50s 0 2.1 One Percenters 0.9 0 Bounces 0.1 74.0 Time On Ground % 72.9 0.1 Centre Clearances 0 0.2 Stoppage Clearances 0 4.0 Score Involvements 3.5 113.0 Metres Gained 183.8 1.5 Turnovers 2.2 0.5 Intercepts 0.5 1.1 Tackles Inside 50 0.3
  13. Fair call. I wasn't blaming him for the loss as such, but i could see how it might be perceived that way. I should have said him missing might have been a factor in the loss. Or some such. What i was trying to say is that (unlike Petty, Gus and Melk who were all injured) JVR mised the Blues game because of a lack of discipline. He doesn't deserve to be blamed for the loss, and i don't, but criticism is reasonable as its hard to argue our chances of winning the blues game would not have increased if he had. It was a stupid and unnecessary act that in the home and away season wouldn't mean much as he only copped a week. But it had huge ramifications given that one week ban cost him a place in a cut throat final and we were already struggling to field KPFs. He might be young, but he is a professional athlete and shouldn't be immune from reasonable criticism. I'd be be pretty confident it came up in his exit review.
  14. ayer Statistics Comparison Jacob Van Rooyen Name Jye Amiss Melbourne Demons Team Fremantle Dockers Forward Position Forward 20 Career Games 25 Claremont Origin East Perth April 16, 2003 Date of Birth July 31, 2003 20yr 9mth Age 20yr 6mth 193cm Height 196cm 96kg Weight 86kg 2021 National Draft Last Drafted In 2021 National Draft Round 1, Pick #19 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #8 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Fremantle Dockers Career Stats for Season Career 20 Games 25 4.5 Kicks 5.3 4.2 Handballs 2.5 8.7 Disposals 7.8 3.1 Marks 3.7 1.4 Goals 1.8 0.5 Behinds 0.7 2.1 Tackles 1.3 3.7 Hitouts 0 1.2 Inside 50s 1.0 0.3 Goal Assists 0.4 0.9 Frees For 0.7 0.8 Frees Against 0.4 4.3 Contested Possessions 3.8 4.8 Uncontested Possessions 4.2 6.8 Effective Disposals 5.5 78.2% Disposal Efficiency % 70.5% 1.6 Clangers 1.2 0.9 Contested Marks 1.4 1.5 Marks Inside 50 1.9 0.3 Clearances 0 0 Rebound 50s 0 2.1 One Percenters 0.6 0 Bounces 0.2 74.0 Time On Ground % 78.5 0.1 Centre Clearances 0 0.2 Stoppage Clearances 0 4.0 Score Involvements 4.5 113.0 Metres Gained 139.6 1.5 Turnovers 1.4 0.5 Intercepts 0.3 1.1 Tackles Inside 50 0.7
  15. Player Statistics Comparison Jacob Van Rooyen Name Logan McDonald Melbourne Demons Team Sydney Swans Forward Position Forward 20 Career Games 44 Claremont Origin Perth Fc April 16, 2003 Date of Birth April 4, 2002 20yr 9mth Age 21yr 10mth 193cm Height 195cm 96kg Weight 95kg 2021 National Draft Last Drafted In 2020 National Draft Round 1, Pick #19 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #4 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Sydney Swans Career Stats for Season Career 20 Games 44 4.5 Kicks 6.0 4.2 Handballs 3.0 8.7 Disposals 9.0 3.1 Marks 4.0 1.4 Goals 1.3 0.5 Behinds 0.8 2.1 Tackles 1.4 3.7 Hitouts 0.1 1.2 Inside 50s 1.5 0.3 Goal Assists 0.6 0.9 Frees For 0.7 0.8 Frees Against 0.4 4.3 Contested Possessions 3.9 4.8 Uncontested Possessions 5.2 6.8 Effective Disposals 6.4 78.2% Disposal Efficiency % 71.1% 1.6 Clangers 1.3 0.9 Contested Marks 0.7 1.5 Marks Inside 50 1.4 0.3 Clearances 0.1 0 Rebound 50s 0.1 2.1 One Percenters 1.2 0 Bounces 0 74.0 Time On Ground % 74.1 0.1 Centre Clearances 0 0.2 Stoppage Clearances 0.1 4.0 Score Involvements 4.4 113.0 Metres Gained 133.3 1.5 Turnovers 1.6 0.5 Intercepts 0.7 1.1 Tackles Inside 50 0.7
  16. Player Statistics Comparison Jacob Van Rooyen Name Jamarra Ugle-Hagan Melbourne Demons Team Western Bulldogs Forward Position Forward 20 Career Games 45 Claremont Origin Oakleigh Chargers April 16, 2003 Date of Birth April 4, 2002 20yr 9mth Age 21yr 10mth 193cm Height 197cm 96kg Weight 91kg 2021 National Draft Last Drafted In 2020 National Draft Round 1, Pick #19 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #1 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Western Bulldogs Career Stats for Season Career 20 Games 45 4.5 Kicks 7.0 4.2 Handballs 2.6 8.7 Disposals 9.6 3.1 Marks 4.3 1.4 Goals 1.3 0.5 Behinds 1.2 2.1 Tackles 1.1 3.7 Hitouts 0.1 1.2 Inside 50s 2.2 0.3 Goal Assists 0.4 0.9 Frees For 0.7 0.8 Frees Against 0.5 4.3 Contested Possessions 4.2 4.8 Uncontested Possessions 5.6 6.8 Effective Disposals 5.4 78.2% Disposal Efficiency % 56.3% 1.6 Clangers 2.3 0.9 Contested Marks 1.1 1.5 Marks Inside 50 2.3 0.3 Clearances 0 0 Rebound 50s 0 2.1 One Percenters 0.9 0 Bounces 0 74.0 Time On Ground % 77.8 0.1 Centre Clearances 0 0.2 Stoppage Clearances 0 4.0 Score Involvements 4.9 113.0 Metres Gained 187.8 1.5 Turnovers 2.6 0.5 Intercepts 0.5 1.1 Tackles Inside 50 0.5
  17. Ugle Hagen better than JVR? Maybe. He's certainly going to be star, but he has been more inconsistent than JVR. And he was drafted in 2020 so is a year ahead in terms of development than JVR (he's a full year old than JVR too) - so he should be ahead of JVR. By the by, that reinforces my confidence in JVR going to another level this season - he will have the same amount of AFL preseasons and elite preparation as Ugle Hagen did at the start of last season, his best season thus far. Logan McDonald? You could mount a case he is as good as JVR. Maybe. But IMO there is no way he is better. In fact i have JVR well ahead, and with a much higher ceiling. Like Ugle Hagen he's a full year older than JVR, and was also drafted in 2020, so is also a year ahead of JVR in terms of development. Amiss is a gun, but i don't think he is better than JVR, who is also a gun. So i'd say even. A good comparison as like JVR he was drafted in 2021 and is almost the same age. The one thing i'd note, is that JVR rucked a fair bit last year, and was pretty handy at it, and none of the other three did. That's a big tick in his column IMO. Here: are the head to head averages for JVR versus those three:
  18. I did say arguably. And I suppose it depends how young key forward is defined. I was thinking 21 and under, as JVR is only 20 (21 in April). Who do you think is a better key forward in the AFL who is 21 or under than JVR?
  19. Agree on Smith - would love to know when he is back. JVR is not too bad discipline wise i don't think - i could be wrong but i don't think he was ever suspended at Casey and last year was reported twice, but got off one (the hit to Ballard when spoiling) on appeal. That said, getting rubbed out for the blues game was a shocker. A complete lack of discipline. I might have mised it but i don't recall him getting much criticism in the media or on here, at least not in terms the potential impact on the reuslt in the blues game. I dont' want to hang the young fella out to dry, and it was such a heighted match, but he deserves some criticism (and no doubt he has given himself plenty of it). He hadn't been in great form, but I don't think its hyperbolic to suggest him missing cost us the game. He would have taken their best defender, and likely any chances he had as he is an excellent kick for goal. I also reckon he is the sort of player who can be difference maker in big games - even if quiet for most of it - for example the Tigers Anzac day game last year. Another big factor is if JVR played, Schahae wouldn't have been the sub (becuase JVR could give Maxy a chop out) and we would have selected another runner/utility as a sub and brought them on for fresh legs in the last q.
  20. They were errors. All teams make errors. Lots of them I was talking about evidence of choking and I wouldn't characterise any of those examples as choking (bar the viney one which i referenced ie the kick thst went to weitering).
  21. Petty won't be out long. Same is true of tmac McAdam? Give me a spell. Besides he'll also be fit soon enough Melk? We missed him.come finals but he wasn't even in rhe team until the mid point of the season. He'll be back at a similar point in this season as he was JVR is arguably the best young key forward in the AFL. Only still a kid and his third season, and still a few years from his peak. But he'll be stronger and fitter than last year and go up a level or two. A true forward who takes his chancex Fritter was our leading goal kicker in 2021 and 2022. And by all accounts is in good nick and over his foot injury that caused him issues last year. Another brilliant kick for goal How does that add up to heading for a fall? Unless you think a loss against the swans kills our season.
  22. Awesome first report. With the heat and your posting name, this song popped into my head. So here is a theme song (or avatar) for your consideration as thanks for such a top report on a hot, blustery day:
  23. Top post. Small margins. It's exactly why predictions of our downfall are so silly. The Pies game wasn't an example of choking IMHO. But the boys would love to have the last 6 or so minutes of the blues loss back. I haven't been able to bring myself to watch replay, probably never will, Perhaps choke is too harsh and/or triggering - tightened right up, costly pressure related brain fades? But even though my memory is hazy (so i could be wrong), these events all felt like examples of bad mistakes under pressure that in isolation could have cost us the game, let alone all of them: Maxy's poster from 15 metres Maxy inexplicably trying to hit Oliver's kick back into play rather than shepherding it thru for a goal (would have that gone though if he had shepherded?) Koz shooting for goal when trac was free inside (this might be a bit tough on Koz, he kicks it and we win - and he's there to kick goals and he probably didn't see trac. That said i'm no fan of the dribbler kick when a punt kick is an option) Viney not getting his kick over Weitering's head And unfortunately for the young fella, the big one - the Juddster electing to spoil Docherty, and fail to do so, rather than allowing him to mark and holding him up On that list I'd have to say Maxy's errors were the most egregious, and perhaps closer to choking than the others. Seems to me he's escaped bit of criticism for those errors, but i went into media black out after the game so perhaps i missed it. That said i don't recall much on here.
  24. Agree on the first part - they have more highly skilled kicks for sure. I'll be really curious to see if they look to get the Colt and Windsor in early to address our kicking issues. Partially agree on the second, but it depends what you mean by ball movement. Ball movement wasn't our issue. We were in the top three in terms of transitioning the ball from the back half but as we all know that broke down with the kick inside 50 and/or inncaruacy. The Giants have better kicks and hit a higher percentage of their inside 50 kicks. A good example of that was our loss to them in the Alice. We absolutely smashed them for indie 50s but could take our chances. The super skilled Josh Kelly won them the game with a sublime kick in the rain from 60 metres.
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