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No. In that scenario better to anchor redzel (assuming you really think its going to win) and avoid the temptation to go wide in the other races. Lets say you had redzel as an anchor and had say only two in the other for $40 you get the quaddie 5 times. It might only pay $80 but you get $400. You might also put a small saver on a horse in redzels race to cover redzel getting rolled (like the redkirk warrior example - a horse i love as i backed it in tge Newmarket last year) But most people would spend their $40 by something like 2, 5 and 4 in the non ancor legs. And at best double their money. The tab love it. Much better value to be had to anchor a horse that is say 2.70 - 3.00 as usually there is a horse at similar odds that most quaddie punters can't resist putting in.

Dixie blossoms had the rating to overcome the negatives in its form i didn't like. Good win. As i have said we put our bets on in the morning and i work my stake out around the price it is then. She was $4 at 11am. Came right in. With quaddies sometimes going one out with a really short fav can mean its hard to get value, particularly when horses near the top of the market win the other legs . It can better to take a punt on a shortish horse rather than a raging fav you like in a small field. Or else else take the short fav and don't go too wide in rhe other legs and try and get it a few times .

Did you pick rimraam or the other one? Rimraam was terrific value. Good get. The early quaddie at Flemington was like Sydney's usually are. Small fields in first few legs with one staying race. My mate who I bet with hates quaddies (and all exotics bar thise in the big four races for that matter) because of the takeout and he figures it us better long term just to put more on tgecwinners. And with good reason. We never get them. But I was super confident in those first three legs.. went wide obviously in the last, a race that was diabolical and I out in every horse I marked as a chance. You have have at least one stand out to get 100% (who wants 5%?).

At Flemington got Nomotaj, Aloft, Hear the Chant and Flippant and snagged the early quaddie (taking Hear the Chant and Aloft one out, Oregon Day and Flippant in the third leg and 10 horses in the last leg - i actually watched the third leg last, having missed that race. Fun because Oregon Day and Flippant were the only chances 200 out). I also snagged the trifecta in the 8th boxing up 3 horses ( i backed Crystal dreamer and i'm Wesley and thought the latter was going to win). In Sydney i got the Winx trif x 5, Dixie Blossoms and Osborne Bulls and in Morphetville got the etta james Master of Art quinella. Top day.

You're probably right on big Danny Hughes but he did make All Australian in 1988 and won the bluey in 1985

Some good points PD. Agree on the importance of an elite defender and Lever is not far away from being a true A grader. He has huge upside because i suspect he will push himself to improve throughout his career. A great get. I have been a huge dees fan since the mid seventies and agree that this is the best in my time. In addition to an elite defender to have chance of winning a flag in the modern era teams need 10-12 decent players capable of playing in he middle and at least 2 of them have to legitimate A graders. We have never had that in the time i have supported the dees. Wes till don't quite yet but Oliver and trac will get there and Viney gives so much of himself he almost gets in that group by dint of effort. Add gawn and we have the makings of a premiership midfield. The other piece of the puzzle is Hogan. I find it amazing that he seems to have dropped a little in the collective imagination. he is a star, pure and simple and the best forward we have had since Ox fist few years. Interesting comment that we have not had an elite defender since the 70s. I disagree, though acknowledge it is debatable. I think Gary Hardeman was elite. Steven Icke was probably not in that top class by the time he came to the dees (as a forward) but he was terrific at the dees. And Sean Wight and Danny Hughes, if not elite were not too far off it.

I had a huge day. Six straight out winners, a good trifecta (the 8th iin melb), a good quinella (in Adelaide) and the early quaddie in melb. Top day.

Well my confidence in the first half of the day has been well placed - at least at Flemington. No winners at randwick as of yet but backed the first four winners at Flemington and nailed the early quaddie. Twice. I love days when you are up early because the stress of losing is taken away. Top wins by Aloft and Hear the Chant, which were both great odds.

I backed Spin. Thought he'd get there

Are you Dermot Brererton?

G'day punters. Had to get a train from Bairnsdale today so had plenty of time to do my form very thoroughly. I'm reasonably confident for the first half of the day but things get harder as the day goes on, particularity at Flemington. That said not as hard as the last 3 weeks. I thinks there are some good bets, some horses that are too short and because of that some value. I'm going to add another category - lay of the day. Best bet: Aloft Best value: Frolic Bets long shot (each way): Flemington Race 5 no 14 La Belle Jude Lay of the day: can't split Santos and Alizee Good punting

I think it is like a 12 angry men scenario (but in reverse ie in the film it was the good guy holding out). There is one jurist holding out and refusing to acknowledge the obvious. TMacs younger brother is going to be a very good player. That is plain to see. The jurist holding out will soon get past their confirmation bias and so the jury is due back any minute. Nothing like his brother? Well apart from the fact they have almost identical career trajectories (even drafted at the same number), both about the same weight and height, both debuted at at a young age and are both key position defenders (until mid of last year obviously) you're right he is nothing like his brother. As evidenced by the Player Statistics Comparison at the same age shows. Not. Player Statistics Comparison Oscar McDonald Name Tom McDonald Melbourne Demons Team Melbourne Demons Defender Position Defender, Forward 37 Career Games 126 North Ballarat Rebels Origin North Ballarat March 18, 1996 Date of Birth September 18, 1992 21yr 11mth Age Turned 21 in 2013 196cm Height 194cm 100kg Weight 100kg 2014 National Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft Round 3, Pick #53 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #53 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2017 Stats for Season 2013 20 Games 17 9.6 Kicks Per Game 8.3 5.8 Handballs Per Game 7.9 15.4 Disposals Per Game 16.2 5.4 Marks Per Game 4.2 0 Goals Per Game 0 0 Behinds Per Game 0.1 1.6 Tackles Per Game 2.0 0 Hitouts Per Game 0.2 0.9 Inside 50s Per Game 0.5 0 Goal Assists Per Game 0.1 0.7 Frees For Per Game 0.4 0.8 Frees Against Per Game 0.7 5.0 Contested Possessions Per Game 4.9 10.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 10.9 12.2 Effective Disposals Per Game 12.5 79.2% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 77.2% 2.0 Clangers Per Game 1.9 0.5 Contested Marks Per Game 0.5 0 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0 0.4 Clearances Per Game 0.3 2.7 Rebound 50s Per Game 3.9 8.0 One Percenters Per Game 7.7 0 Bounces Per Game 1.0 92.2 Time On Ground % Per Game

fair point

He is also good by hand. Makes smart decisions and has a knack with his kicks and handballs of not only finding players in space but also putting it to their advantage so they can run onto the ball rather than have to stop and wait. So important and a skill surprisingly few seem to have. Also a critical skill in our game plan that involves chains of handballs and sweeping the ball forward.

Whoah that's better. I saw this pic on the phone and thought you were in bondage leather and chains with old wrinkly skin. Not that there;s anythging wrong with that. But now i see it is i assume the artist's chain and arm. By the by i thought our firts year was 1859. Also by the by love the tat

Very tricky day. here's my tips: best bet: gailo chop (good vale too, i think he is an energing stating satr and hrtnell won't catch him) Best value: snitty kitty Long shot/each way: Lord of the SKy Good luck all

All true enough. but those things, in my world view don't disqualify America from being considered a great country. But as i pointed out clearly we were never going to agree on whether America is a great country. I maintain it is. But that is obviously based on my own criteria. A criteria that means that i believe Russia, China, Japan and Germany are all great counties despite their human rights record and that fact all have been guilty of genocide against their own people and those of other countries. But lets stop now. Demonland's dark web makes me dizzy.

Yep, agree

If you were to disqualify a country from being considered great by things such as war record, history of treatment of its indigenous people or how it went about colonising and treating other countries not a single country could be considered great. Not one. When i say America is a great country i mean in a historical sense. I have said on DL before that the movie Life Of Brian provides some great analogies for life and once again it delivers in this context. I'm thinking of the 'What did the roman's ever do for us scene' here. To paraphrase: Apart from helping establish the principles of democracy, advances in medicine, advances in science, helping defeat Hitler and fascism, brilliant artists, brilliant thinkers, great writers, driving all manner of technological advances (eg flight, the telephone, space travel, computers etc etc) and promoting a culture of human rights through the last 100 years what has America ever done for us. in this context I found this article from the Atlantic Magazine from March 1959 fascinating

To be honest with an opening statement such as being 'over getting into unwinnable bun fights on this site' i don't see the point in bothering to give my definition of greatness, given you have made it clear that you will counter any points i make. So i won't bother. Just accept that i think America is a great country and i'll accept you don't think it is. Done.

For undeniably great country the number of gun related deaths is an extraordinary state of affairs that is some ways unparalleled in history . And not only do their elected representatives, from both sides, do nothing, they ate enablers. .

Wrecker, i'm not sure if it was intentional but this statement implies the two issues are comparable. Which of course is completely not the case. It is impossible to compare the two. A quick google threw up hundreds of articles that make this point, but this one sums up how absurd the comparison is: The reality is that an American is at least twice as likely to be shot dead by a toddler than killed by a terrorist. America's gun control 'problem' is full scale out of control. The numbers are staggering. Staggering. On the other hand it is hard to mount an argument they actually have a Islamic terrorism 'problem' at all let alone a 'massive problem'. This article, in the wake of the obscene Las Vegas massacre sums up things well, when it says; The Las Vegas massacre is a symptom of a problem more serious than terrorism: the lack of effective gun controls in the U.S. As I have reported previously, between 1970 and 2007, a total of 3,292 people in the U.S. were killed by terrorists. Almost all those deaths occurred on a single day, 9/11/01. That averages out to fewer than 100 deaths from terrorism a year. In contrast, more than 32,000 Americans are shot to death every year, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Of those, more than 11,000 people are murdered and almost 20,000 kill themselves. The U.S., which has more firearms per capita than any other nation, has rates of gun-related killings much higher than any other developed nation. The irony is that at the heart of the gun control issue is the notion of freedom and not having the government control its citizens. And the completely out of of balance response in the USA (and here too for that matter) to terrorism has stripped US citizens of their rights, impacts on their freedom in any number of ways (eg intra country air travel) and most ironically of all has enabled the government to control its citizens in ways that 20 years ago would have been unthinkable (eg monitoring private conversations and email use, surveillance, right to detain etc etc). Go figure.

Yep. My mate puts our bets on. Hopefully we got best fluc as it came in from 14s

I like him too. I backed him and Royal rapture who is alos good value. Super tricky day, particularly at Flemington and on days like this you can back a couple of horse in some races and still make a good profit (assuming one of them wins!). Have done this a few times today