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I agree with all that but you'd be very disappointed if you were a Cat's supporter.

If he has another good year that won't help much if he insists on going to WCE because try as they might they won't have the picks to offer. It's hard to see how they can offer much more next year than they did this year.

He'll aways be an import and so the connection isn't as strong as say someone like Spargo. I'll obviously support him but it's just different somehow. Probably only me.

I never feel the same about players traded in as those drafted. Bernie aside.

Well I'm not so you can't say that about everyone. I think there are a lot just disappointed to see him go. Anyway enough.

People are disappointed to see Hogan go. Is there an issue with that? You're dancing on their disappointment like a big bully.

Clickbait Wise, clickbait.

You've got some good footy views STMJ but you really are an awful person.

It really annoys me that people have a go at the disappointed posters. Hogan is a generational player, he held our aspirational hopes for a long time and we became attached to him. I can't believe there is anyone not sad to see him go. Those knocking the disappointed are just jerks.

I just have this horrible sense of loss.

GCS will just wait and see if 5 comes to them. They are in no hurry. How silly would they look if they traded for 7 but 5 was available.

I think what a lot are overlooking is the actual role of the GM Footy Ops. He is responsible for all footy. List management, coaching, tech people, medical staff admin staff, property staff, the footy side of the Casey alignment and so on. Like Peter Jackson, he relies on the skills those he employs to produce the results. One of his major skills seems to be identifying the right people who can do the job. I think he's done a fantastic job. He's united a divided FD, he has overseen the culture we now have, our relationship with the players, their families and other clubs seems excellent. I don't know how much input he's had directly into the Oliver situation but he's responsible for employing those that did. He hasn't put a foot wrong. Well done Josh.

I'm a bit confused about all the wrist slashing. Option One: We trade Hogan to our advantage (as determined by the FD) Option Two: We keep Jesse who is an elite talent. What's the problem?

I think this is the most likely outcome but strangely, known troll GNF has said exactly what I've heard about Jesse. It is the FD preference to keep him. My source is well connected but I don't know where his information came from so I take it all with a grain of salt. What I admire about you is your ability to have certainty around a situation that is anything but certain and your ability to sprout it probably close to 50 times in this thread alone. One of the critical unknowns about this deal is the relationship between MFC and Hogan. If it is as I've heard and GNF suggests then MFC are in a very good position and can't really lose. If not Jesse's situation is anything but clear. Oh, and Graz, I agree with you. Jesse to GCS on a mega-deal, AFL ambassadorship, Jesse out of the limelight which he might enjoy and he becomes a leader of a club that now has full AFL backing and a good administration. GCS won't be much good next year but we have seen ourselves how a basket case can be turned around and GCS are better placed than we were to achieve that. Interesting days ahead.

Nah, just clickbait Wise ?

Politicians

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-10-12/preuss-joins-melbourne-in-trade-deal

Many struggle with the concept of "win win" and think there has to be a loser. I know it's a hard concept. My son was 8 before he got it.

I'd ask myself the question "who is more value to the team, May or Hogan?". That would be my starting point to the trade. I'm not saying I know the answer but that's the starting point for the FD.

Isn’t Japanese management wonderful. We were told it would likely happen and were horrified but now we are convinced it’s the best thing and we want it to happen! At least many of us do anyway. Imagine the outrage if he had been traded with no warning. Well played Josh Mahoney.

Why.

Well if there is competition for him so much the better and we'll get our price. But I certainly dont rate him as highly as you and wouldn't offer that sort of contract to someone who could be a bust.

It's not possible for us to know PD. I think that Langdon might be in the picture. I'm not convinced this is all Hogan driven so we might be more accommodating than people think. But I don't think we'll trade him unless we get our outcome. I mean really we're just having a bit of fun here. We've got no idea. What I love is we are aggressively trying to improve our list.

But they have to match the terms Kent puts on himself. Unlikely. But who cares if they do.

St.Kilda: fine, we'll take him through the preseason draft for nothing.