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I'm usually accused of being in the positive camp so this is a nice change! In my view Goodwin is our coach, Roos, Jackson and the Board were aware of all the issues when they appointed him and from all reports he has a terrific relationship with the players and an excellent understanding of the game. He's had time under Roos. What's not to like. I don't give a stuff that he was at Essendon but there are those that want all things Essendon purged from the AFL (probably along with the AFL as well). This is a discussion forum and we are discussing Goodwin. I'm interested in their views and how they reconcile there position. I don't think that's negative actually, I think it's interesting. Or at least it's interesting to me. But TBH I doubt I'll hear a lot from them.

Gotya. Issue solved.

I'm not fazed. I'm just interested in the genuinely difficult position the "Essendon haters" find themselves in. And WYL I'm not particularly concerned about PED in AFL footy. I reckon after the Essendon saga it's very unlikely to happen again if it happened at all. I'm more pizzed of the the WCE GF victory than Essendon's situation.

Look, I reckon we are past the stage of needing to highlight Jordie's deficiencies. Of course Oliver is a (several) classes above in terms of skill but the reality is if he can get the best out of himself the way Jordie did there is soo much to like. And his interview suggests to me he will. Frankly from what I've seen I like Oliver more at this stage of his career than of Brayshaw at the same stage - and I reckon Brayshaw is/will be a gun. Oliver has flown under the radar this preseason but I think the radar will pick him up soon.

I'm just interested JH. If it's a bit sensitive for you don't participate.

I always saw a gun in Jordie's body Nash! You've gotta love this kids attitude and comments after his first game. Not only is he a Jordie look alike but from the sound of that interview his attitude and personality are very Jordie like as well. Jordie's paved the way, now it's time for Ollie to take advantage!

I'm interested to know how all those that are outraged by the Essendon saga are reconciling that Goodwin "was first in line for the good stuff". It's an uncomfortable truth. This is a serious question. As many know I'm not particularly fazed by the issue but there are some who are taking a particularly "high moral ground" approach. I reckon they must he horribly conflicted. And was Macca there to?

What a great series!

The world is against us isn't it.

How can you make that call? Have you seen Parish or Oliver play? What has changed your mind?

Apologies.

There's a bit of history mo.

Not sure it was RFPC that accused Hogan of being a mercenary, think it was the Nut but could be wrong. Don't care really.

You've obviously never had a good red.

Unnecessarily personal. Anything to say on Oliver?

Pro there is no need to go on. You're arguing with Stuie, you've won and you won't educate him. For what it's worth Jones was played out of position for much of Bailey's time. Bailey thought he was too small to play midfield and so played him on a wing/flank. Neeld played him in his rightful position and he flourished.

Poor Jack.

That's why we have a discussion forum!

I think Pro Dee is trying to clarify his position on Jack which in the past has been a little equivocal. I'm glad because I now think I have a handle on where he stands. Some might have understood it earlier than me for which I congratulate them. Me, now I'm clear so hopefully we can get back to Sam.

He got the things I rate highly: clean hands great lateral movement can get the ball makes good decisions What's not to like?

But we can't get Quigley's stuff anymore can we?

Please give us your top 20 then with summary. I'll be fascinated. I'm sure others will too. Thanks

How should we consider yours?

It's been a common misconception for a long time but I can promise you James Kelly was the most likely pick if not Molan. ND asked him for the toughest KP player in the draft so Craig didn't really focus on top end smalls but when I asked him about Dal Santo he said he had others in front of him. The other interesting thing he said he'd have taken Robert Murphy with pick 5 if we had retained that in 1999. Disappointing because Murphy is my favourite non MFC player. Yep Utah, I was always a fan of Neale. Great man and so much better than he was given credit for, particularly at the time. History will treat him kindly although life hasn't.

Not Dal Santo. James Kelly.