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I think Pro Dee is trying to clarify his position on Jack which in the past has been a little equivocal. I'm glad because I now think I have a handle on where he stands. Some might have understood it earlier than me for which I congratulate them. Me, now I'm clear so hopefully we can get back to Sam.

He got the things I rate highly: clean hands great lateral movement can get the ball makes good decisions What's not to like?

But we can't get Quigley's stuff anymore can we?

Please give us your top 20 then with summary. I'll be fascinated. I'm sure others will too. Thanks

How should we consider yours?

It's been a common misconception for a long time but I can promise you James Kelly was the most likely pick if not Molan. ND asked him for the toughest KP player in the draft so Craig didn't really focus on top end smalls but when I asked him about Dal Santo he said he had others in front of him. The other interesting thing he said he'd have taken Robert Murphy with pick 5 if we had retained that in 1999. Disappointing because Murphy is my favourite non MFC player. Yep Utah, I was always a fan of Neale. Great man and so much better than he was given credit for, particularly at the time. History will treat him kindly although life hasn't.

Not Dal Santo. James Kelly.

So what specifically was the difference in Fyfe's build to (say) Morton and Watts that indicates that one will be able to bulk up and the other can't?

How can you tell? What particular attributes indicate easily bulking up compared to someone who won't? Can you give an example of someone in the ND who won't bulk up based on their "frame"?

Einstien, any relation to Einstein? Hope so. Listen Razzle, I'm confused. How can you have "absolute" faith in Roos and then disagree with the decision. Do you ever think about what you write? And really, are you suggesting that I should ignore the decision of Roos, Viney, Taylor, O'Donnell, Goodwin and McCartney because you and many other supporters don't agree with a second rounder for Melksham? Let's see, Goodwin and McCartney spend years coaching him. O'Donnell will have seen him play many many times. Roos, Viney and Taylor work full time in footy. But no, Razzle Dazzle is upset and says we shouldn't trade a second rounder for him based on what? What do you bring to this debate that our FD doesn't? I'm not thrilled but I'll at least recognize the collective wisdom that made the decision is light years ahead of anything I know and will read here and therefore I'll back them. So in short, I can understand you don't expect me to work out "why" you and other supporters think. I think the reaction here is just dumb.

No faith in Roos Dazzle. Who would have thought.

Does anyone know the contract status of Jayden Hunt. I think he's out of contract and if they wanted him you'd have expected him to have signed along with White, Stretch, ANB and King. What are people's thoughts?

I'm in the minority that think this will be a good decision. Now I'm on record.

Wrecka what attributes does he have that would allow him to transfer his form at WAFL level to AFL. For example Vanders had pace and clean hands whereas someone like Adam Fisher, although prolific at VFL level didn't have the pace to succeed at AFL level. That's what Taylor will be looking for - AFL attributes. Does Menegola have them?

I'm with you but sadly we don't get a say.

Does anyone know the format of the B&F count? If points are awarded to every player when they play that will not do Jack any good. If it's top 6 getting votes he could well surprise. He's been outstanding in my view.

Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

I've been trying to imagine what sort of player Christian may turn out to be. I saw he train last year a few times and the best two comparisons I can come up with are Colin Sylvia and Jack Darling. For those that saw him at junior level how would you characterize him and what role do you see him playing immediately and in the longer term?

Stretch was never involved in Hollywood boulevard, that was more the precinct of Lovett G, Stynes and Tingay along with the others you mention. The people involved were very good players but I hope we never see The Boulevard again.

I never used the word in this thread. Jabber used the word "group-thinkers", I didn't.

Thanks for your input. Can you show me where I used "groupthink" in this thread? Frost went from someone we wanted to a terrible trade because we paid too much to someone who was really good all pretty much following what happened. The point I was making was that as The Saints are now rationalizing McCartin over Petracca we did pretty much the same with our picks and the Frost thread is a good example. You really need to stop telling me to drop groupthink particularly if I don't use the word or the concept in a thread. I accept that you don't think groupthink exists here. I do. I can live with our differing opinions.

Yes. http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37395-welcome-to-the-melbourne-football-club-sam-frost/page-9 And onward. I'm surprised you couldn't do this yourself, but then again, perhaps not.

That's about as fickle as the Demonland thread on Sam Frost. He went from someone that wasn't worth a trade (we'd pick him up in the PSD for nothing) to someone who was better than James Frawley.

Ever thought of picking/not picking him on form? Roos has form on this. JKH. That would overcome this rather brainless discussion of whether he deserves a game round 1 and your premise that "good clubs would do". Good clubs would pick him if he was in the best 22. If he's in ours he plays.