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Feel a bit speechless in response to a comment like this. What next, no exercise bikes because they're footballers not cyclists? It was a recovery session and you have no idea what else they're doing in the 30 - 40 hours they spend at the club each week. But apart from anything else, the players seem to enjoy it. Lord forbid they should feel positive about coming into the club.

There are a dozen other clubs who could say the same thing. You then lose a few important players to injury or whatnot, you have an unsettled line-up, you have players coming back from long-term/serious injury, etc.etc., and you quickly get passed by any of the other 12.

To get better first round picks. Which is a rebuild, no? We've already seen the benefits this season with both Lindsay and Langford. They both come straight in and fill a roll.

The coaches can only work with the players at their disposal, for better or worse. e.g., you can't go into a match with the forward line from your VFL team and expect to not get taken to the cleaners, no matter how they're coached. One of the biggest issues is that Ben Brown was traded in as a 50 goal/year forward, but was hardly able to get on the field post 2021. Not age either, BB is only a few months older than Jeremy Cameron (for example). Clearly the plan was that he would hold down a KPF role while younger players came through. That hasn't happened, which has left us exposed. They've tried to address this through Fullarton (hasn't worked), Grundy/Max (didn't work), trading in Derkson as a reinforcement (GWS wouldn't let him go), and eventually landing on Aidan Johnson (too early to tell). Will be interesting to see what happens this trade period, though once again, you can only trade from the available pool. Suspect that an established KPF will be high on the shopping list.

Great to see Turner doing well, as much as anything because what it says about his attitude and the internal messaging from the coaches. Langford made some interesting comments re being dropped after his first game and how the coaches helped him to see it as a possibility to work on what he needed to and as a positive. Similar re Turner it seems, and presumably most of the AFL-listed players. Adams, even Fullarton are stepping up, Laurie with his 30 possessions when he could just give up in response to being in/out of the team etc. etc. Sure, the Dees are looking lost at the moment, but seeing what's going on at Casey there's lots to like, the coaches seem to be doing what they need to.

Unless I'm mistaken, Sestan didn't play as he was held over as our emergency?

Not only is it not obvious, it's not even true. It's well documented across the AFL (and other sports for that matter) that the head coach has input into list management but is only one voice. For obvious reasons. Tim Lamb does not answer to Goodwin. If you want to see how this plays out, watch Moneyball. Meanwhile, one example among many: "Geelong premiership mentor Chris Scott made very clear earlier this year when challenged on the way his team has been shaped that as senior coach “I am just one vote (of four) in list-management meetings."" https://www.indaily.com.au/sport/football/2022/09/16/when-list-manager-is-the-afls-most-important-job

Many here are wildly over-emphasising the influence that a coach has on a team. I know I'm a cracked record on this, but the only way to improve a team is through improving the list. The evidence is all around us, but as always, people look for the easy solution rather than the right solution.

No, it hasn't disappeared, other teams have worked out how to get past it. Fast, run and gun footy doesn't allow the backline to set up, which is what used to be our strength.

I'd question that, there are too many variables. Starting inside the club, and how much the FD and Board would hold Goodwin responsible. Also, there's the longer term to be considered: there's an argument that it's never good to bring in a new coach with a team that's bottoming out. Better the old coach stay on until things stabilise and then make the change, e.g. Clarkson/Mitchell at Hawthorn. What Yze is going through at Richmond isn't good for anyone, he came in at least one season too early. But I don't think it'll come to that, in spite of plenty of evidence to the contrary. I think that once we get more players back and the team stabilised and used to a new way of playing, things will start to look up later in the season. I could be wrong ...

I don't know that we do, and I'd take today as Exhibit B, following last week's Exhibit A.

Imagine it would be pretty hard out there, given what was going on all around him.

Bowey very good, Rivers worked his way back into it after some howlers, had looked off the pace for the first 2 games, May will be better for the run, great to have Melksham back - if only the ball could get to his part of the ground more often - Langford has cemented his place for the rest of the season, and we have Pickett and Lever back next week.

Melksham being Melksham. Has been missed. (Not that it'll make all that much difference when there are so many problems elsewhere.)

Dropped marks, miskicks, handballs that fail to travel a metre, constant turnovers, etc. etc. nothing to do with Goodwin.

At that stage of the season (already) where you try and find positives amongst the dross. Johnson brings something, a bit agricultural at times but you know what you get. Langford has shown a bit. Bowey back to his best. Apart from all that, if we could just not turn the ball over things would look very different, but that's a big if.

Nicely done, and appreciate the work you've put in. However, if you haven't already, I'd look into Digital Accessibility, and in particular, the WCAG guidelines. For me, the site is still much too busy, with too much (visual) information. e.g., we have access to Training Reports on the left, but then again via a link at the bottom of each page. Same for the podcast which appears not just on the left, but at the bottom of the page and again on the right. Once would be enough and would be both more efficient and help make the site more accessible. My 2c, and yes, I've done some work in this area, as many many people are being excluded from participating fully in on-line content and culture.

They were.

Of course. Because everything that players do on the field - turnovers, clangers, miskicks, dropped marks, OOB on the full, free kicks given, points that could have been goals - all those things happen because players intend them to.

Unless I'm mistaken, Fogarty and Walker are into their 8th season together, Tilthorpe (who was a number 2 pick) is into his 5th with those two. Our 3 equivalent (JVR, Turner, then either Jefferson or Johnson) have had two *games* together.

It's a fluff piece background interview, streaming fodder. FFS people, get a grip. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

So, just play players where we've always played them and do what we've always done - or at least since 2021? Just checking, sometimes it's hard to keep up on Demonland.

"Melbourne mercurial forward Bayley Fritsch has been named as one to watch throughout 2025 as his future at the Demons has been thrown up in the air." https://www.zerohanger.com/rivals-tipped-to-pursue-clinical-finisher-159950/

I believe we have 19 players OOC, (18 if May has been extended). Quite a few of those are fringe players who we've been persisting with, so you'd imagine there'll be a few on the way out. Equally, you have to bring other players in to replace them and we only have 3 draft picks, with 2 of those being in the 50's, so some work to be done.

That's odd. In his last 5 seasons at Hawthorn they only finished in the eight once, and across his last 2 seasons they won a total of 12 games (finishing 12th and 13th). I wonder why he didn't just change their game style to something more successful.