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See also Kolt and McVee.

Regardless of what happens to Lever, surely Tmac, Turner and May makes us top-heavy down back?

You're dropping a defender and 2 forwards but bringing in 3 defenders?

Serious injuries will do that to you (see Bowey last year).

For starters, they play completely different roles. If you're talking either/or, then it's TMac for May, perhaps Turner. The closest we have to Lever (intercept defender) would be Howes.

That was supposed to be Ben Brown. Who in spite of everything, wasn't all that old when he had to hang up the boots. Against that, JVR and our other key forwards get to train against May, Turner, Lever etc., and you would think that there are plenty of "learnings" to be had there.

Also shows real ignorance as to what an assistant coach's role is, or even what the requirements are. In any case, you can go through the AFL and there's a big fat zero correlation between having an ex-forward as forwards coach and having an effectively functioning forward line. In fact, if you look through it, there are a LOT of ex-defenders coaching forwards - which of course makes perfect sense. Not only do defenders spend their whole careers working out what forwards are doing, they get to come up against different forwards and different forward systems every week.

Both on and off the field. There's huge Angus-shaped hole in the club, from leadership to the midfield to the list.

I think the idea is we try to find 24 - 26 year olds, players with 4-5 years of experience already but still plenty of footy in front of them. Quite where/how we find such players, especially as most of them would be still too young for FA, is another question.

How many teams in the 8 have an ex-forward as forward coach?

I'd be surprised if we see (m)any changes. Apart from hardly having anyone knocking the door down in the 2's we need consistency. This is a team that has hardly played together and it shows. If Howes is right, bring him in for ... someone (Sharp?). If not, Windsor, but not sure whether he's done for the year after never getting going after his foot infection/injury across the pre/early season. Suspect that Petty will be held back another week at least.

Nope. Not how it works. Mark Neeld was a new coach with a new voice and direction/game plan. How did that work out? Or Dean Bailey? How about the interim coaches we had post Daniher, all of whom also had new voices, most had decent credentials (Riley, Viney, Craig). In fact, in all those cases, the interim coaches had WORSE win/loss records than the coaches they were replacing. How's it working out for North, or Richmond or West Coast? How's it worked out over the last 20 years for Essendon? 6 new coaches with new voices and a new direction/game plan across that period, and what do they have to show for it? Anyone who thinks changing coaches would change something - except to take us backwards - is just deluding themselves and clutching at straws. And the data is out there to confirm it. You want change and improvement? Change the list. Paul Roos understood that, which is why one of the first things he did was to bring in 3 experienced players as part of a big cleanout. Those 3 (Vince, Tyson, Cross) had a bigger impact on the team and the way it performed than any new voice and new game plan.

Just love Demonland. This is the forum where posters are constantly bagging Goodwin (even though all of these decisions are made by a team of people not just Goodwin, but heh ..) for yo-yoing JVT in/out of the team and in/out of ruck/forward - yet when we see one of our younger players developing in front of our eyes to be one of the best key defenders in the AFL, some here want him thrown up the other end of the ground. Because. Also the forum where "just play the kids" and "the season is shot, we should concentrate on development" means bringing in one of our oldest players in probably his last year. If the argument was throw Turner forward (but see above) to bring in Adams, though questionable it would at least be coherent. But Demonland ...

Jesus H Christ. TMac was a decent 3rd defender, nothing more. And Goodwin doesn't have to decide he isn't the future, he isn't the future. End of.

Been kind of the same all year, not the player he was or can be, he missed too much of the pre and early season injured. See Bowey last year.

Story of the season. Can’t hit I50 targets, and then can’t kick straight.

Need some players who can hit targets. Without that everything else is just yadda yadda.

Wanganeen-Milera ... effortless.

We dropped him in favour of Turner, you know, playing the kids and developing them etc. etc. Which was the right decision, Turner is already a better tall defender than Tom.

How do you know he's [censored] off?

TMac hasn't played forward for a couple of seasons and by his own admission, can't jump anymore (feet are shot). Welcome to Demonland, otherwise known as Fantasyland where everything and anything is possible.

No he didn't. Our flag came on the back of 7 years of club-wide hard work and building.

Delusional.

And your selection to replace Petty would be ... ???

I don't know that we are, but with Petty out I'm not sure who else could have come in as a KPF? Fullarton?