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No I didn't. He will in fact be traded for a fair price. It's just that that fair price may not align with some of the fantasyland trades floated here. FWIW, I imagine it will be a first round pick with perhaps some shuffling lower down. But whatever it is, the deal will get done.

Of course he's grandstanding. Every List Manager from every club is grandstanding. At least in public.

Taylor is head of recruiting. Easy to check.

The fact that the only example you could give are from respectively 16 and 22 years ago says it all.

Last season he didn't even meet with any other clubs. There was also a certain amount of understanding both from the club and the players about his mental state post serious injury. Try again.

He apparently found time to sit down with McVee.

It's a real part of negotiations, but not much more than that. Second rounder is all we're going to get. We may make them sweat a little to signal our displeasure, but everyone knows how this will play out.

Seriously? There's been massive damage done, and no way in a million years that Trac comes back now.

Just nonsense. What players think is the opposite of irrelevant, it's why all this is happening. If they're going to buy in 100%, they need to know that every one of their team mates is doing the same. The talk even before the Petracca meeting was that the players felt that Trac wasn't completely invested, which is fatal. As for "Steven King is on record". Of course he is, and if you believe him for one moment, I have a bridge to sell you. He said what he had to say. Also, King gave him a phone call, but didn't even make the effort to sit down with him in person. Hard to believe that supporters could be so gullible here, but there you go.

Attitude, culture, etc. Too much damage done now, and even if the coaches might accept him, the players won't. The club want him gone.

Deals are never simple, and the problem for us here is that GC know that Trac can’t come back to us now. They also know we want him and his salary off our books. In spite of all the posturing, we’re on a hiding to nothing here, and GC very much have the upper hand.

All of them. (Btw, Hogan to GWS, where he won a Coleman; Pick 54)

Only in the delusional world of football supporters. We will never do that, nor would any club.

Of course he did. He has to. All posturing around getting the best deal we can for Trac. The minute anyone from the club says that we want him gone, we’ll be lucky to get a future 2nd rounder.

Not just King. The Trac meeting happened in GF week without King. List management décision, as King acknowledged.

Nothing to do with King. It’s about the negative impact they have on the playing group.

If you believe that I’ve got a bridge to sell you. And if King wanted Trac to stay he would have taken the time to sit down with him. Which he hasn’t.

These are never just Lamb's decisions, there's a List Management committee.

It says that King doesn't want high-maintenance players around the club.

Plenty of posts here re Trac are delusional, literally. The "win" in this trade is that we get Trac and his attitude/influence and his salary off the books. We'll put on our big-boy pants, take whatever gets the deal done, and move on.

No supporter from any club accepts any deal for their players, whatever it is. Supporters ALWAYS over-value their players in a trade-out, and UNDER-VALUE players coming in.

Tim was obviously paying attention in his media training, and picks his words carefully. He's asked about getting back into this year's draft and gives one of those non-answer answers by talking about the last 2 drafts and how great our picks were. His only comment about this year's draft is that it's "compromised" by father/son and academy picks. People can read into that what they will, and they may well be right, but the club isn't spelling out players-over-picks. For obvious reasons.

Hmm. "In terms of our overarching strategy for this period, our focus is simple; we will explore every opportunity to strengthen our list." Guerra "Whatever happens about Christian's future, any decision that is made will be made in the best interests of the Melbourne Football Club." Lamb "if Christian chooses to leave it has to be on our terms. It has to be fantastic for our footy club.” King If you have anything to backup your "have gone on and on about wanting players not pics" from Guerra, Lamb or King, I'd be interested in seeing it. It may well be true, but the club aren't stupid enough to come out and publicly say it and then have to walk it back when it turns out to be not achievable. It's a commercial negotiation. All the rest is just vacuous posturing.

A new coach and fresh air makes it easier to move Trac on and explore outcomes that a year ago were, as you point out, nuclear. Also worth remembering that we sacked Goodwin during the season. Having done that the message is pretty clear: no-one's too big to fall.

Plenty here wanted Goodwin, Pert, Roffey etc gone, OK. Add to that the departure of a couple of assistants and a handful of players ... doesn't exactly reek of stable club. Perhaps all necessary in the longer term, but it's inevitable that there'll be short-term pain when all that we have to sell is "a vision". The Age headline sums up what most outsiders are probably thinking: "What the hell is going on at the Demons?".