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Do any of us know what he's really on? There are reports from the time he signed that he's on $1.05 million. The AFL reported a 7-year contract worth $7 million.

Jesse Hogan. Traded to Fremantle for picks 6 and 23. Two years later, traded out of Fremantle for pick 54. JUH. Pick #1 to the Bulldogs in 2020. 5 years later, traded out for ... nothing (?), with the Dogs having to pay his full salary for 2025 even though he didn't play a game or train with the club (effectively). etc. There's always a price to be paid for cutting your losses.

These negotiations don’t happen in a vacuum. All sides know the full story even before discussions begin, and the idea circulating on Demonland that we’d be in a different position if we’d played our cards closer to our chest is simply fanciful. The fact that the Giants were able to arrange a meeting in another state with Clarry, along with various club officials and players, the very next day after the MFC meeting suggests that this had been in the air for some time beforehand and that the Giants already had their ducks in a row.

No-one from the club said that, in fact, quite the reverse. If anyone blew this up it was Clayton himself - that interview from the moving van would have done nothing to enhance his value. But in any case, unless I'm misunderstanding, the premise of what you're saying is that we could have somehow hidden that we wanted him gone. In reality, all clubs know everything about what's going on internally at other clubs, and if they don't, the player managers make sure they do. On Clayton Oliver "We met with Clayton and spoke about the future, how that looked, how the coach wanted the midfield to play and where Clayton fitted in with all of that,” Lamb said. “Out of that has come that he wanted to explore some options, but it wasn't a direction from us to do that." Tim Lamb

Pick 11 plus a future first that could easily end up a lot lower than that. In terms of equivalence, it's a lot less than what we're getting for Trac.

Implementing the decisions of the club and the List Management Committee.

Lots of history being rewritten in this thread. Weren't too many here saying "just get rid of him" a year ago.

So what does that tell you?

The Head Coach is but one vote on the List Management committee. Also, Goodwin had to say re Clarry what King has had to say re Trac. The head coach can't be seen to be dissing his players in public, regardless of what they acknowledge behind closed doors.

Great film, and great performance from Jeremy Irons

You don't know that. Across all these threads, one thing that has been reinforced is that moving on marquee players is a club-wide decision, right up to the Board.

Don't disagree, but this is a reflection on the chaos at the top at the time. These are the kinds of decisions that need(ed) strong, clear leadership, which we didn't have. No accident that this was something that Goodwin highlighted in his departure presser. No accident either that Guerra, King and co come in and these tough decisions are now being made. Something about breaking eggs and omelettes comes to mind.

I'm not sure what workplaces you've experienced, but there can be any number of reasons why someone could be fulfilling their contract in terms of capability but be an overall negative in terms of other employees, which then impacts productivity.

Ridiculous. But predictable. Meanwhile, out in the real world, through no fault of Lamb's Oliver has made himself pretty much unemployable. No-one wants to touch him, including us. Frankly, that the Giants would even be prepared to pay half of his salary is something. Not only do we get him off our hands, we save ourselves 700K per year. Win win.

Exactly. No-one wants to touch him.

So why are they not doing that? Think think think …

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-period-2025-brody-mihocek-joins-melbourne-demons-leaves-collingwood-magpies-opens-up-on-contract-discussions-trading-day-reactions-latest-news/news-story/899cf5a0bd9650547aacdf9259ce3471?fbclid=IwY2xjawNZ66hleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFYSEZhQ3hLeXdBMG5pZ0NnAR4t0DIAGPrqKPNmGVSPAInja1eX-US4op2k6UZ-INnSTXd3zUgSK3jmElpzfw_aem_ZveQw71GJOZtRBb2V7Q9DA

And even if he hadn't, he almost certainly has now. It's all very well arguing over whether or not King wants him at the Dees, the one person who's made it plain that he doesn't want to be here is Trac himself. We move on.

Yes, don't quite understand some of the discourse here. By definition, Academy and F/S picks aren't available to us, we were only ever selecting from who was left.

Merrett trade is even more up in the air than Trac's, so hard to say what they will get, or even if the trade will go through.

We do not have the upper hand in any of these deals.

I don't think any of us like it. I suspect even the club doesn't like it. But ...

The pulse of the side who doesn't want to be there and has asked to be traded, that pulse of the side?

It reads as King saying what he needs to say - though even there, his statements re Trac are peppered with ifs and buts and conditionals. We're into "The board has full confidence in the coach and has given him our backing" territory. King's statements aren't aimed at Trac, or even Dees supporters. They're aimed at the Suns.

Beyond repair you would imagine. Maybe one day we’ll learn why.