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So what does that tell you?

The Head Coach is but one vote on the List Management committee. Also, Goodwin had to say re Clarry what King has had to say re Trac. The head coach can't be seen to be dissing his players in public, regardless of what they acknowledge behind closed doors.

Great film, and great performance from Jeremy Irons

You don't know that. Across all these threads, one thing that has been reinforced is that moving on marquee players is a club-wide decision, right up to the Board.

Don't disagree, but this is a reflection on the chaos at the top at the time. These are the kinds of decisions that need(ed) strong, clear leadership, which we didn't have. No accident that this was something that Goodwin highlighted in his departure presser. No accident either that Guerra, King and co come in and these tough decisions are now being made. Something about breaking eggs and omelettes comes to mind.

I'm not sure what workplaces you've experienced, but there can be any number of reasons why someone could be fulfilling their contract in terms of capability but be an overall negative in terms of other employees, which then impacts productivity.

Ridiculous. But predictable. Meanwhile, out in the real world, through no fault of Lamb's Oliver has made himself pretty much unemployable. No-one wants to touch him, including us. Frankly, that the Giants would even be prepared to pay half of his salary is something. Not only do we get him off our hands, we save ourselves 700K per year. Win win.

Exactly. No-one wants to touch him.

So why are they not doing that? Think think think …

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-period-2025-brody-mihocek-joins-melbourne-demons-leaves-collingwood-magpies-opens-up-on-contract-discussions-trading-day-reactions-latest-news/news-story/899cf5a0bd9650547aacdf9259ce3471?fbclid=IwY2xjawNZ66hleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFYSEZhQ3hLeXdBMG5pZ0NnAR4t0DIAGPrqKPNmGVSPAInja1eX-US4op2k6UZ-INnSTXd3zUgSK3jmElpzfw_aem_ZveQw71GJOZtRBb2V7Q9DA

And even if he hadn't, he almost certainly has now. It's all very well arguing over whether or not King wants him at the Dees, the one person who's made it plain that he doesn't want to be here is Trac himself. We move on.

Yes, don't quite understand some of the discourse here. By definition, Academy and F/S picks aren't available to us, we were only ever selecting from who was left.

Merrett trade is even more up in the air than Trac's, so hard to say what they will get, or even if the trade will go through.

We do not have the upper hand in any of these deals.

I don't think any of us like it. I suspect even the club doesn't like it. But ...

The pulse of the side who doesn't want to be there and has asked to be traded, that pulse of the side?

It reads as King saying what he needs to say - though even there, his statements re Trac are peppered with ifs and buts and conditionals. We're into "The board has full confidence in the coach and has given him our backing" territory. King's statements aren't aimed at Trac, or even Dees supporters. They're aimed at the Suns.

Beyond repair you would imagine. Maybe one day we’ll learn why.

Unless I’m mistaken he has never actually said that. I’d love to coach Christian … I’ve got his back if he comes back … etc. For me, he’s saying what he needs to as head coach and going out of his way not to burn bridges. Also talking the talk in the context of negotiations.

But getting into unknown territory. Steven May was 33 this year, and is pretty clearly not the player he was.

He's not the boss, he's the head coach with others in the club above him and others in the FD that don't have to answer to him. As for shifting players in/out, there's a list management committee, King is but one voice on that.

Lions paid six, 19 and 55, with 30 coming back to them. So kind of six plus a second rounder. Though there again, Neale was only 25 at the time, very different to trading someone who'll be 30 in a few months. Also, Lions weren't being saddled with a huge salary to pay.

Can't be addressed in isolation. e.g. if we're effectively doing a salary dump so we can go for a big fish in the near future, it could make sense in the bigger picture - even if it seems unappealing in itself. Clubs are always planning years in advance, or trying to, so should be seen in that context. But none of us really know what's behind all this, we don't even know with certainty why Trac wants to move.

Yes, and Cameron was a free agent, 3 years younger than Trac, and on quite a bit less coin. In any case, what Geelong paid (13, 15, 20), is worth less than 7 & 8, if that's what's on the table.

Was widely reported in the media back in June that Flanders was looking to move, and the only club mentioned in those reports was St Kilda. Someone knew.