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To the contrary. If you’re doing a list rebuild you want stability all around that.

Then why watch it?

Not sure ... very hard to build fitness in-season. Form, perhaps.

Sure, but Mitchell did play and coach at WC, not entirely misplaced even if it’s not a good look.

Where by “time” we means seasons. And more than one.

Hah! Well, the thread title has a question mark in it, so I'm just responding to that. In truth, I have no idea if it's time for Goody to go or not. But I do know what the facts tell us about sacking coaches, especially in-season, so I'm just running with that. I've also have to add that I've been fortunate enough to have seen from the outside something of what goes on internally at an elite, international level (sport). And my take away from that has been that things internally are very very different to what they look like externally. So I'm very wary of comments like "Goodwin has lost the players" etc., just as I'm very wary of laying the blame at the foot of any single person, much less the head coach. For example, I've been surprised (understatement) when our midfield has been so disastrous, why there have been few if any comments on Nathan Jones' role and potential shortcomings in what he's doing, given he's the midfield coach (alongside Sam Radford).

One of the current frustrations - we're a season away from starting to really see the fruits of current changes to the list and game style. In the meantime it looks like (and is) a bit of a dog's breakfast, both in who we put on the field and the way we play. Injuries haven't helped either.

Some damning footage on First Crack of Rowell running down into the forward line for an easy mark while Oliver and Petracca walked in behind him doing lots of pointing for someone to pick him up. Too late ... and then after he marked, Fritch's opponent (sorry, can't remember who), ran past for an easy receive and run through to goal. Half a dozen Dees standing round looking at each other. They were the opposite of "on".

Laurie’s an interesting one. Wraps on him as a junior were that he had excellent disposal. Perhaps one of those role-players we need. Fewer disposals against less turnovers?

Shocked I tell you, shocked.

This. We started on the road to a premiership with a new coach. Paul Roos. And for all the talk of games plans and defensive structure and yadda yadda what was the first thing he did? Bring in 3 very good, experienced players. Bernie Vince who was outstanding for a couple of years there, Dom Tyson who was similarly effective, especially for the first couple of years, and Daniel Cross who brought professionalism and leadership on field and off. If you want to address shortcomings and move a team forward you need to bring in ready to go players, as Roos understood. Without doing that, changing coaches is just moving the deck chairs.

And what happened after we dumped Bailey and brought in Todd Viney for the rest of the season? We lost even more matches than we were doing under Bailey, the win loss ratio went backwards. In fact, that’s what has happened Every Single Time we’ve replaced a coach during the season. Even after Neeld. 15% win loss ratio? Neil Craig (an experienced senior AFL coach): hold my beer, I can lose even more matches and get it lower, just watch In fact, that’s what happens pretty much every time a coach is moved on mid year, no matter the club. And not just in the AFL None of this exceptional. Or even surprising. Except to footy fans who continue to delude themselves that there’s an easy fix and a knight in shining armor just waiting for a tap on the shoulder to come in and solve all our problems.

2 shocking years? Last year we were in the 8 up until the last half-dozen games, when the cumulative effect of losing our 2 best players became too much. This year we've played 3 matches, one of which we lost by a kick, even though we were playing kids and first-gamers (due to injuries to first-choice players). Since then we've had 2 bad games, and that's enough to have people like you throwing your toys out of the cot. It's not the players who need to toughen up.

We don't know, it would only be speculation, no matter what it looks like from the outside. Equally, I think that Goodwin doesn't suffer fools, and if anyone's upsetting the apple cart internally hard to see them lasting long. Sam Frost and Jack Watts come to mind. The end of the year could be interesting.

That would be Brad Green.

Goodwin's not going anywhere, the Board won't sack him because of a few disgruntled fans. Even a lot of disgruntled fans. Port fans have been calling for Hinkley's head for almost as long as he's been there, yet he's still into his 13th year. Within the club everyone would understand what's going on.

There's no basis to your assumption that we're not working on skills. They can have a 20 minute hit-around with a soccer ball AND work on skills at other moments of the day. (Remembering that they also train inside.)

Everyone's all over the Hollywood Hawks, but it has taken them what, 6 years to transition from the old guard to the new?

Also McAdam.

Compounded by the fact that the players we've deliberately brought in to help drive and implement a more transition-based game plan have been largely unavailable. Doubly compounded by the fact that we can't even keep any team on the field, yet alone one put together for a new approach. The constant changes both across games, but also IN games (losing Jefferson and then Lindsay early in the last 2 games) is the opposite of settled and consistent.

You didn't need the "too".

Feel a bit speechless in response to a comment like this. What next, no exercise bikes because they're footballers not cyclists? It was a recovery session and you have no idea what else they're doing in the 30 - 40 hours they spend at the club each week. But apart from anything else, the players seem to enjoy it. Lord forbid they should feel positive about coming into the club.

There are a dozen other clubs who could say the same thing. You then lose a few important players to injury or whatnot, you have an unsettled line-up, you have players coming back from long-term/serious injury, etc.etc., and you quickly get passed by any of the other 12.

To get better first round picks. Which is a rebuild, no? We've already seen the benefits this season with both Lindsay and Langford. They both come straight in and fill a roll.

The coaches can only work with the players at their disposal, for better or worse. e.g., you can't go into a match with the forward line from your VFL team and expect to not get taken to the cleaners, no matter how they're coached. One of the biggest issues is that Ben Brown was traded in as a 50 goal/year forward, but was hardly able to get on the field post 2021. Not age either, BB is only a few months older than Jeremy Cameron (for example). Clearly the plan was that he would hold down a KPF role while younger players came through. That hasn't happened, which has left us exposed. They've tried to address this through Fullarton (hasn't worked), Grundy/Max (didn't work), trading in Derkson as a reinforcement (GWS wouldn't let him go), and eventually landing on Aidan Johnson (too early to tell). Will be interesting to see what happens this trade period, though once again, you can only trade from the available pool. Suspect that an established KPF will be high on the shopping list.