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Once again, cherry-picking. You're ignoring all the times when coaches couldn't implement change over a preseason. You need to consider ALL cases, not just the ones that suit your propos. e.g. Clarkson is a good coach, how come we're yet to see real improvement at North over what now, 3 pre-seasons? And staying with Clarkson, how come he couldn't lift Hawthorn when they started to fall in 2019? He had 3 pre-seasons, yet they went backwards across 2019 - 2021, a trend that Mitchell then took another 3 pre-seasons to turn around. Through that Hawthorn had 5 or 6 pre-seasons yet stagnated in the lower reaches of the ladder the whole time. And in regards to all this, you only have to look at the almost teams like Essendon or St Kilda with their revolving doors of coaches and endless, endless pre-seasons for no real substantive improvement or progress. etc. etc.

From a couple of premiership coaches (but heh, what would they know ...): "Evolving a game plan can be extremely difficult. It takes time, because players often need to be recalibrated to play a certain way." Fox Sports‘We got it wrong’: AFL great’s warning to Dees on ‘priori...‘We got it wrong’: AFL great’s warning to Dees on ‘priority they need to address’ now

For the moment. How many times have we heard Goodwin mention "falling into old habits". Change is hard.

Also being inconsistent is to be expected (especially with younger players), also progress not being linear is to be expected.

They can take a thousand shots at goal every week without necessarily improving performance in-game. Doing it in training vs doing it in the heat of the battle/when you're fatigued/under pressure ... night and day. (Not saying we shouldn't train every aspects of it of course, but from what we know they are, with a specialist kicking/skills coach).

We have one, alongside Ben Crowe who also covers this area. Both presumably working overtime at the moment.

Effectively, we have new line coaches. Every line changed from last year and the only line coach in the same position is Chaplin. Radford, Jones and Bassett are all new. You can only work with the material at your disposal.

OK. Now, across the same time period: a) list all of the examples where changes of coach didn't bring about substantial or lasting improvement. You're cherry picking. b) add in the changes in personnel/players and/or list development for those clubs/coaches for the years in question. You're ignoring other factors than just the change in coach. If changing coaches was the panacea, how come with the Dees from the end of Daniher (2007) until the arrival of Goodwin (2017) when we had 3 coaches and 3 interim coaches, we never managed to finish higher than 11th - though most of those years we were lower than that?

You only have to look at the list of players we've brought in over the last couple of years to see that that's not true at all.

Petty must be in the last chance corral, or close to it. No idea who replaces him if he goes out, feels like it's just shuffling the deck chairs.

People keep repeating this ad nauseam, but in actual fact, there's little evidence for that, either in the AFL or the across other sports internationally. Bringing in a new coach with a few new key players is a different story. Though equally, bringing in a few new key players in itself is a different story.

Can't. Not in the short term at least, and not without changes in the players they're playing alongside. Put Scott Pendlebury in that team and watch what happens to Clarry and Trac.

Change in personnel for one. e.g., across that period we had (mainly) May, Turner and TMac down back. We've swapped out a more-than-competent Tom McD for an underdone Lever. Not only is Lever not (yet) pulling his weight, the whole backline structure and system has been thrown out as we saw today. As for the key forwards, the revolving door up there is never going to help anyone.

You don't even need to doubt, changing coaches would achieve nothing. (Has been shown countless times.) Real change can only come through list change.

Accept the point, but there are players there who are coming back from longer term injury/out and are not back up to speed. Lever and Viney the main two, but McVee and Windsor aren't the players they were last year.

You watched the match?

We won a flag playing contested crash and bash, bang the ball forward footy, and built a list accordingly. Coming back to bite us. Death by a thousand turnovers.

Lever ...

Take a bow Tim Lamb for putting this together and getting it over the line.

This. Get in line boys.

This. But not just veterans or free agents.

Ah thanks. I presumed it was a GCS supporters' page. Won't delete it as people have replied, but could well be just clickbait with nothing behind it. My bad.

Having quality senior players is the difference. Pendlebury and Sidebottom have 750 games between them. They're smart with ball in hand and very clean and effective with their disposals. They're also both high-disposal players, against us 29 and 25 respectively, so they have the ball in hand a lot. And it all rubs off on the other Pies players. The nearest we have to them in Melksham, but unfortunately he's not a mid. Equally unfortunately, none of our main on-ballers have those abilities, as Petracca's errant handball and Oliver's OOB at critical moments late in the game showed. And when things are close, it's all about critical moments.