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Now quote the whole post.

"I'm here for Melbourne. Well done for making the change, how it cost the coach his job is a mystery to me, but they have made the step to playing modern footy." David King

He's a coach. He knows how to do the job. That's all that matters. This whole idea of "better" or "worse" coach is a furphy. Any of the names being thrown around could do the job, presumably - though always a bit of an unknown with someone who's only ever been an assistant. On the other hand, what's starting to go-on off-field and with the arrival of Guerra is both more interesting and more important. if we want to see any real improvement it's not the coach we need to be worrying about, it's the list, admin and FD. Goodwin's parting comments on the club that Todd Viney, Peter Jackson and Mahoney built say it all. We've fallen a long way "in that space" since they all left.

To comment on my own post ... (!!), even if you did want to link coaching positions to ex-player positions, you'd actually be better off with an ex defender as forwards coach. They will have spent their career seeing how the best forwards work, and coming up against a whole range of forward systems and structures. But the discussion is moot in any case. You just want good (assistant) coaches, where they played in the AFL is irrelevant. Even IF they played in the AFL is irrelevant.

Irrelevant. And that's not opinion, it's fact. Go through the top 8 and get back to us as to how many of those (successful) clubs have ex forwards as their forwards coach.

List management is still in place and coaches are but one voice.

Not just this year, but goes back to the 2023 finals. Lack of on-field leadership, maturity and cool heads, coupled with too many on the list who are not all that smart with ball in hand and/or understand what they should do but don't have the skills to execute. People can say all they want about a new coach, but unless we can fix this we're not going very far. Some improvement can come from within through the younger players, but in itself that's not going to be enough.

Not just this year, but goes back to the 2023 finals. Lack of on-field leadership, maturity and cool heads, coupled with too many on the list who are not all that smart with ball in hand and/or understand what they should do but don't have the skills to execute. People can say all they want about a new coach, but unless we can fix this we're not going very far. Some improvement can come from within through the younger players, but in itself that's not going to be enough.

Seriously? [censored].

An OK coach will be fine.

Getting all our defenders on the park would help. Missing Lever pretty well all year, and May for some of it, Rivers to on-ball/mid, McVee with an early season injury that he hasn't really been able to work back from, missing depth/backup (Hore, AMW), Petty forward - though Turner is stepping up, etc. etc. We had pretty much the same backline for a few years there, and it showed, this year has been a bit of a dog's breakfast.

This.

No, the logical conclusion is that you fix everything else first.

None of us know of course. But if he was on a power trip and didn't want to let go, it would look very much like this. Personally, I think he's on shaky ground for a host of reasons - the main two being the handover timeline and the sacking of Goodwin - and I'd be surprised if he can stay on the board once Smith arrives. "New voice", clean slate and all that. He's now too associated with the old regime, even if that's a transitional regime.

Caro clearly has sources.

This, a thousand times this. I just find it bizarre. All the evidence you could ever want is out there, but people are just sticking their heads in the sand.

Taylor is head of recruiting - that those players are at the club is down to Taylor as much as anyone. Maybe check how all this works?

Has to be sync across the two teams so that players from the VFL can step into the same role at AFL level and know the system/s. Same across the AFL/VFL.

Not wrong. But has he left his run too late? Would be shame to see him reinvent himself at another AFL club as a defender, but it's a cruel AFL world.

If we make finals next year then Goodwin was right - in terms of where the group is at and how long it would take to be competitive again.

Just the juicy bit: Green and fellow director Angela Williams remained in the Goodwin kitchen for only a matter of minutes before being asked to leave by the sacked coach, who had sent his children to their bedrooms to avoid any awkward scenes. Football director Alan Richardson and acting chief executive David Chippindall stayed around a little longer before Goodwin asked to be left alone with his family. And ... Whether or not you agree with the decision to sack Simon Goodwin, it cannot be disputed that he coached in often challenging and occasionally untenable conditions. Board discord has punctuated the past six seasons, including 2021 when Goodwin coached the club to its first flag in almost six decades. Surely the next coach will be spared that distraction.

A statement as specious as it is superficial. There can be any number of reasons why "performance over a sustained period" can be poor, poor coaching being but one. Alistair Clarkson could justifiably be seen as an excellent coach, yet in his third season at North ...??

Just looking for the Time To Go Chaplin thread. If someone could help a brother out …

Sack the stand-in coach. Obviously need a fresh voice.

Except I didn't just refer to weather did I. Cherry picking. But heh, if that's the hill you want to die on, be my guest: "Daniher said the environment at the Lions and the lifestyle away from football was a perfect combination. "It's been a beautiful change," he said. "It's 30 degrees and blue sky and sunny outside, it's an enjoyable place to be. A great city and a great place to play football."