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The pulse of the side who doesn't want to be there and has asked to be traded, that pulse of the side?

It reads as King saying what he needs to say - though even there, his statements re Trac are peppered with ifs and buts and conditionals. We're into "The board has full confidence in the coach and has given him our backing" territory. King's statements aren't aimed at Trac, or even Dees supporters. They're aimed at the Suns.

Beyond repair you would imagine. Maybe one day we’ll learn why.

Unless I’m mistaken he has never actually said that. I’d love to coach Christian … I’ve got his back if he comes back … etc. For me, he’s saying what he needs to as head coach and going out of his way not to burn bridges. Also talking the talk in the context of negotiations.

But getting into unknown territory. Steven May was 33 this year, and is pretty clearly not the player he was.

He's not the boss, he's the head coach with others in the club above him and others in the FD that don't have to answer to him. As for shifting players in/out, there's a list management committee, King is but one voice on that.

Lions paid six, 19 and 55, with 30 coming back to them. So kind of six plus a second rounder. Though there again, Neale was only 25 at the time, very different to trading someone who'll be 30 in a few months. Also, Lions weren't being saddled with a huge salary to pay.

Can't be addressed in isolation. e.g. if we're effectively doing a salary dump so we can go for a big fish in the near future, it could make sense in the bigger picture - even if it seems unappealing in itself. Clubs are always planning years in advance, or trying to, so should be seen in that context. But none of us really know what's behind all this, we don't even know with certainty why Trac wants to move.

Yes, and Cameron was a free agent, 3 years younger than Trac, and on quite a bit less coin. In any case, what Geelong paid (13, 15, 20), is worth less than 7 & 8, if that's what's on the table.

Was widely reported in the media back in June that Flanders was looking to move, and the only club mentioned in those reports was St Kilda. Someone knew.

Yes, fair enough. Not sure about "plenty", certainly doesn't feel like that, but accept your point.

If you look at what was actually said, rather than what you wanted to be said, Lamb and co have been very general in their statements. Even the "turn our heads" is vague as all hell - and allows every single person to have a different interpretation, which is the point.

And the reason he got Grundy for peanuts was because of the monster coin he was on, though even there, we didn't take on all of that contract. Yet everyone here expects the earth for Trac while at the same time expecting GC to take on ALL of Trac's payments. The size of Trac's salary, one of the highest in the AFL and way above what anyone currently at the Suns is reported to be getting, is the biggest single factor in all this. But like the proverbial elephant in the room, it's being totally ignored on Demonland.

As has already been pointed out to you, neither Lamb nor anyone from the club stated that.

The reality is we never had a chance to get Flanders, that deal was put in place months ago. The other reality is that the Flanders camp roped us in to give the illusion that there were other suitors, and so push up his asking price.

Just laughable. Once Lamb delivered the picks to the club, the choice of picks is on Taylor and the scouts/drafting team. The level of outright - and in many cases deliberate - BS on this site at the moment is just through the roof.

I.e., same as Petracca.

i.e., break his contract. Not difficult.

Sure. Have you visited the Bailey Humphries thread? 85 pages of posters arguing the opposite, the basic premise being that Humphries can and should break his contract and come to us.

What Christian does or doesn’t do isn’t the point. It’s the negative impact that having someone who has asked to leave has on the other players. He doesn’t exactly bleed red and blue, and you get more of a sense of commitment, leadership and responsibility from Mihocek, who hasn’t even played a game. Mihocek isn’t just trotting out platitudes like “it’s my job”, he’s putting himself on the line. But academic, Trac’s gone and the deal will be the best that we can manage under the circumstances, many of which are not in our favour.

As has been pointed out by numerous posters, no we didn’t. Getting tiresome now.

A 30 year old on huge coin that no one except the Suns want to touch, that Petracca?

The Pies traded a 28 year old 2 x All Australian and B&F winner for … pick 27.

No we didn't.

Yes we do. He doesn't want to be at the Dees, he's asked for a trade and nominated a club, and we want his enormous salary off our books.