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are you telling me Bailey, Neeld and Prendergast took orders from CS on whom to recruit? explain to me who, at the time, was OPPOSED to doing that anyway? explain to me how that has proven to be a mistake? Don't tell me we would be the slightest bit better off if we had kept McDonald, Bruce and Miller for an extra year so you are blaming him for something that does not deserve blame, and his involvement in this supposed error is dubious at best extremely thin argument

are you high? in what way is CS responsible for our poor recruiting? That was not his job. That's without even getting in to the discussion about whether our player development was more to blame for those failed picks than the recruitment itself. and in what way is it 'funny and satisfying' to hear the club getting slammed on the radio yet again? CS bashing is way over the top. You try being at the helm of an organisation that is underfunded, undersupported and full of incompetent staff and players. It is very easy to blame all these bad years on CS but none of have the slightest clue as to what extent it was actually his fault. A certain Irishman was also heavily involved in this period of time but you don't get a bunch of hate chucked on him do you

i voted no in that I don't THINK he will, but I would like it if he did.. bit of a traditionalist

you are talking about the specificity of certain trades and the impact of the FA in isolation - I am talking about the bigger picture arrivals/departures from the club over a certain period of time. The facts are, for whatever reason, we have Clark and Dawes come in with four going out, I don't know what sense it makes to exclude them based on the method by which they got here. My point is that Moloney, Rivers, Sylvia and McLean in exchange for Pick11, Pick19, Clark and Dawes is the net result of it all, so I don't understand the attitude of many around here at the moment. Again, our net loss is two 28-30 year olds that won't be out there next year. however you are correct in pointing out that we have lost it in the midfield and got some back with key forwards, which is an important point, and part of why our midfield is battling.

There are many mythologies perpetuated on this site. The current trending topic (in the wake of Sylvia's departure) is us not being able to hang on to senior experience. This post is an attempt to set the record straight for the bunch of posters who are making emotive statements that are perhaps not based on actually looking at the facts. Here is a look at our departures since 2006 (end of Daniher era). I'm only considering players that were regulars for several years (not fringers), and/or actually functioned somewhere else after they left us - not the plethora of Isaac Weetras we have gone through... also I'm not talking about anyone that came to the club from 2010 onwards b/c we are talking about senior players here (eg. minimum 6th season in 2014). Scully is not considered because a)he left under special circumstances, b ) we were very well compensated and c)he is not in the above stated age bracket NATURALLY RETIRED Neitz, Brown, White, Yze, Robertson, Whelan, Green, Davey, Bartram, Bizzell, Holland, Ward, Godfrey, Wheatley, Nicholson, Warnock, Jurrah(!) MOVED ON PERHAPS A YEAR EARLY McDonald, Bruce, Miller TRADED/DELISTED TO OTHER CLUBS Johnstone, Moloney, Rivers, Sylvia, McLean, Petterd, Martin, Morton, Bennell STILL HERE Jamar, Garland, Dunn, Frawley, Grimes, Jones, Clark, Dawes Watts, Blease, McKenzie, Strauss, Jetta, Spencer (this group will be 23/24 years old in 2014.. I know not really 'seniors') Now the only categories of concern to this discussion are MOVED ON PERHAPS A YEAR EARLY and TRADED/DELISTED (these are supposedly our 'lost seniors'). Now ask yourself how many of those players you would consider to be assets for the club moving forward - the answer for mine is only Moloney, Rivers, Sylvia, McLean.. all of whom will be aged 28-30 next season. Don't forget we also got pick11 for McLean and probably pick19-ish for Sylvia (the fact we misused that pick11 is irrelevant to this discussion). Compare that to the STILL HERE list, the players that have NOT left us. Of importance is Clark and Dawes, who are genuine senior assets that have actually arrived at the club in this period. so I'm saying in eight draft/trade periods we have lost a total of FOUR senior players that might be of value to us for 2014 onwards, two of them for good draft picks. These four might have a combined total of ten years of footy left in them. Meanwhile we kept a good dozen others on the list as senior players going forward, including the addition of Dawes and Clark. You could say it is Moloney, Rivers, Sylvia and McLean in exchange for Pick11, Pick19, Clark and Dawes. The reality of the situation you will find is vastly less disastrous than some here would have us believe.

have you always felt this way or is this an october 3rd kind of feeling

why would you ever say anything different if you were asked that question in that position persuades him to stay ensures he feels 'welcome' if he does stay potentially raises his compo/trade value if he doesn't absolutely no motive for Roos or anyone else to say anything other than what he did, it means very little about what his actual opinion is

i'm sure somebody has said it already.. but 10 seasons his best finishes in the B+F were 5th,5th,6th and 10th. Hardly stellar in a team that has been shizen the last seven years

BINGO

that statement is just completely untrue

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yeah but the stats show we did kinda OK for most of the 2nd half of the year in that regard

this is the big point that is lost on so many, barring more disaster our scoring firepower is about to go up about 250% immediately.

how could they have more dispensible cap space than us though with our zero stars

yes but as alluded to earlier, Freo is not in a GWS position to just make a mockery of the salary cap and give a huge offer

pretty dumb thing to do... but talk of Freo pinching him has no more legs than dozens of other young guns who are playing interstate.. it very rarely actually happens that someone 'goes home'

sorry for all the pain and anguish sheesh what a bunch of little princesses in this thread i figured some casey groupie would have the answer in 0.2 of a second the answer was 15 out of 21

this from a guy who doesnt know what day it is if youre going to be a smartass you better be right

i'm sure they'll appreciate it as much as did when the method doesnt work and thats why they asked you in the first place

yeah thanks genius I tried that info is not there

how many games did he play.. out of a possible how many

we've had a poor fixture in financial terms but the last couple have been incredibly soft in terms of the difficulty not that we capitalised on it

First of all, I haven't changed anything. I'm not thrilled with what we've got out of him and particularly his application at times, but you'd have to have rocks in your head not to be happy he is staying. The potential is enormous. Secondly don't you realise how foolish it is to talk in terms of 'you once said this' like so many here. JW has been at the club for 5 years, of course there have been fluctuations in his performance and as such fluctuations on the opinions of him. Why would it be any different? What exactly are you saying, you need to form an opinion on draft day and then just stick to it no matter what? What sort of imbecile thinks like that? It's something I've never understood about the average joe cretin demonland poster

Oh really. Do you think it is possible you are wearing the same rose coloured glasses when you look at back at Roos as you do when you think of the superstar Brad Miller? It is going to be hilarious watching you squirm, trying to maintain the false sense of superiority that nobody else cares about when Watts starts making some waves... 'yeah but he was supposed to play full forward not be a dominant midfielder' that'll be it won't it

he's fantastic shot on goal from 'the paint' he wouldn't have to be drifting far