Dr. Gonzo

I have a VCR hooked up directly to a DVD recorder so I just press play and record and it's done. PM me if you wanted to organise a way to get this onto DVD. RobbieF do you have many games from the Northey era? I have a decent collection if you're willing to trade some? PM me to let me know.

The report states our positive cash flow for 2011 was just over $600K so it seems you are right, we still would have had a profit but it would have been minimal.

From what I can make out it is because of the handouts they have got from the AFL & SANFL - think they got $4M+ handout from the SANFL last year which will fudge their figures - however if you have a read of a recent article the SANFL lost money hand over fist last year and has funded Port to the tune of more than $13M over the last 3 years so they are being kept alive by a revenue source that is up to the whim of the SANFL. If you click on the link I provided to the BF thread it provides more info and has links to all the available financial reports.

Think you missed my point - what about the players that actually played in the 2000 GF? Yze, White, Johnstone etc.

MFC get the price of a normal membership out of it I think - so about $150. If you get a Gold AFL Membership you get access to a GF ticket no matter who is playing but you can get an MFC membership for the same price with guaranteed access to a GF ticket if MFC make it. Considering none of my mates are AFL Members and so I'd have to watch the GF by myself and considering I prefer to watch the GF at a pub or mate's place with a BBQ/beers I thought there's no point continuing to give money to the AFL over the MFC especially considering the contempt the AFL generally holds us in. I also think it's fairer to leave GF tickets for people who actually support the clubs involved.

What else can the club do to convert MCC members? It's up to the members themselves if they want to actually support the Melbourne Footy Club. I used to have an AFL Gold Membership with MFC club support and even though MFC got more out of that than they do an MCC membership I gave it up and spent the $500 per year on a Trident membership. If you include my 3 other family members that did the same that's probably around $1500 that the club's better off. I lose out by having to pay if I go to games other than MFC games, having to pay to go to finals and not getting access to a GF unless MFC is in it but it's worth it.

They're the figures from the 2011 Financial Report as far as I can gather - I think the $40M may be our projected revenue for 2012? http://app1.mailout....837892_0682.pdf Just having a look at that report - it looks like our "Revenue" is $33.5M and we have "other income" as $6.7M (which I think is the acquisition of the Bentleigh Club?) This is also why we had the biggest profit in the league ($6M) - without the acquisition of this asset we would have made a $700K loss going by those figures (page 11).

Haha dude you've been on some serious angry pills over the summer.

Just be aware, if you have just a general membership (i.e. you haven't paid extra for a reserved seat) you don't get into a "members area" like we did in the red seats in the old Olympic Stand in the old days. The cheapest membership will only get you into the ground, you will have to sit in General Admission seats (generally the Ponsford Stand or the Punt Road end in the pockets or behind the goals depending on who we play.

You'd think we would have learnt our lesson after 2000 but nothing changed after that. I agree with the sentiments of Dermie and Sheedy - look at Port and Essendon as well as North & WCE in the 90's all had the trademark "tough and brutal" teams not just players.

Yeah fair enough WYL and thanks for the response. Just reading through the last few weeks of this thread it seemed like some were of the "she'll be right" opinion and thought a couple of million dollars was neither here or there and something we had the luxury of being able to turn up our nose at. However the fact is, while we have increased revenue to $33.5M we are still well behind the top clubs and we need to get our hands on as much cash and as many revenue streams as we can.

I hope so, guess we'll just have to wait and see. Don't think those two are over-rated though, wish we had scored Cotchin from the 2007 draft instead of Morton. Deledio is hitting his prime and won the Tiges a few games last year. He is quick, has skill and can kick goals from outside 50. Would slot straight into any side in the comp.

I got these figures from a BigFooty thread collating the figures from the Annual Financial Reports. I simply can't understand the attitude that "we've done enough" and "we can afford not to worry about a few million dollars." What we have done over the last few years is clear our debt and get us back to level so that we don't drown. We are treading water and barely have our head above sea level - any backwards steps and we will be going under again. I can understand not stressing about something we have no control over but I can't understand thinking the club doesn't have to worry about it and that we as members shouldn't be provided some explanation and shouldn't be concerned about it and hold the club accountable. Gross Revenue Collingwood - $75,232,702 Essendon - $51,416,731 West Coast - $50,200,000 Hawthorn - $49,151,009 Geelong - $48,438,196 Brisbane - $42,297,354 Carlton - $39,950,000 Port Adelaide - $37,017,885 Melbourne - $33,514,371 Richmond - $33,403,202 Western Bulldogs - $32,453,030 Adelaide - $30,546,426 St Kilda - $28,287,336 North Melbourne - $26,017,066 Gaming Revenue and Hospitality Collingwood - $19,201,114 (inc. Social Club) Brisbane - $12,641,070 (inc. Social Club) Geelong - $10,083,082 (inc. food and beverage) Hawthorn - $10,057,704 (inc bar and bistro) Port Adelaide - $6,822,171 (inc.licenced venues) Carlton - $4,504,537 (gaming only) Western Bulldogs - $3,770,594 (hospitality only) Melbourne - $3,594,013 (inc. social club) Richmond - $3,410,144 (inc Social club) St Kilda - $656,918 (Social Club) Essendon - N/S Adelaide - N/S West Coast - N/S Membership Revenue Collingwood - $16,419,687 (does NOT include gate reciepts) Geelong - $12,121,444 (inc. gate receipts) Hawthorn - $11,705,117 (inc. gate reciepts) Carlton - $11,617,793 (inc. gate reciepts) Adelaide - $10,591,091 Essendon - $10,363,690 (inc. gate reciepts) Melbourne - $9,727,844 (inc. gate reciepts) St Kilda - $7,750,153 (does not inc gate reciepts) Brisbane - $6,918,708 (inc. gate reciepts) Western Bulldogs - $6,712,710 (inc. gate reciepts) North Melbourne - $5,745,872 (inc. gate reciepts) Port Adelaide - Not Specified Richmond - Not Specified West Coast - Not Specified Sponsorship and Marketing Revenue Collingwood - $22,170,584 Richmond - $17,252,886 Port Adelaide - $16,238,492 Essendon - $15,532,108 Geelong - $15,517,692 Hawthorn - $14,576,422 Carlton - $12,378,037 Brisbane - $11,033,963 Adelaide - $10,647,497 Western Bulldogs - $8,911,027 North Melbourne - $8,782,975 Melbourne - $8,133,129 St KIlda - $6,938,019 West Coast - Not Specified Merchandise Revenue Hawthorn - $3,065,244 Geelong - $2,583,088 Essendon - $2,563,026 Carlton - $1,910,251 Western Bulldogs - $1,392,135 North Melbourne - $1,036,064 St Kilda - $980,156 Adelaide - $846,018 Melbourne - $806,732 Port Adelaide - $696,759 Collingwood - N/S Brisbane - N/S Richmond - N/S West Coast - N/S Football Department Spend West Coast - $19,800,000 Collingwood - $19,412,167 Geelong - $18,821,742 Essendon - $18,510,078 Carlton - $17,831,197 Melbourne - $16,309,582 St Kilda - $16,974,040 Brisbane - $16,061,596 Port Adelaide - $15,682,596 North Melbourne - $15,280,850 Western Bulldogs - $14,694,994 Richmond - $3,466,748 (all that is specifically named as football spend) Hawthorn - $2,316,797 (all that is specifically named football spend) Adelaide - Not specified. This argument is simply fallacious. The current economic climate hasn't seemed to hurt the other clubs in finding sponsors (with the exception of Port and if we are judging ourselves by their standards we are in trouble.) Your second point has some merit but I don't accept the excuse of the current financial climate.

I think all things being equal we are better than them however I think we will struggle against them in Round 3 due to the following factors; No Sylvia No Jurrah Martin, Cotchin & Deledio I don't think they'll thrash us and if Chip can hold Riewoldt again (which he has a habit of doing) we may win, but my early prediction is they'll do us in this game. The return match is anybody's guess but I think it will be closer than many here think.

We have a horrible period from about R6-12 but other than that have a decent draw - even in that stretch I we could pinch a couple of games against Sydney in Sydney and Essendon. All things going right we could easily make the 8. However its going to depend on the results of our two matches against Richmond & St. Kilda and our two Etihad games against Freo & NM for mine. Beat Richmond twice and pinch one of the other 3 and I think we can sneak into the 8. Lose to the Tiges twice and either they or North will pip us for the 8. I don't think we are that far out of contention for the finals as some may think and I am buoyed by the thought of Daniher's first season in 1998 after a horrid period in 1996-1997. Losing Jurrah & Sylvia for the start will hurt but if they can set themselves up for the second half of the season we could very well get on a run like in 1987 & 2000 and come home with a wet sail (to make finals, I don't think we have a chance to go as deep as those two years). All that being said I have tipped us to finish 11th as I think Richmond will have the wood on us this year with their midfield firing and I think we will drop a few "winnable" games at the end of the year to Freo, Saints, NM or perhaps Adel or Port.

Yep - whether he can play out the year remains to be seen but if he could put together 16-18 games like that for the year you would definitely keep him on your list. Thought we made the right decision to get rid of him but this is one I'll be happy to be proved wrong on. Wish Junior all the best, he deserves it.

Its more to do with where the coaches see Cook in future plans I reckon - if they think he is good enough to slot in next to Watts & Clark and build a forward line around they wont bother and will focus on midfielders/small forward/defender - if they think he doesn't have it then they may go after a tall forward. Would prefer midfielders though - look at what Geelong was able to do with Mooney, Hawkins & Pods.

I agree 100% with this, there are other examples as well for instance Moloney getting done for "almost" hitting Bartel while King gets off with kicking White in the face and smashing his face apart. Then JT getting 3 weeks for a tackle. This stuff is history now but it is a recurring theme. Also why does Eddie seem to really have it in for us? He always goes on about how Collingwood are so good for the competition and will help out struggling teams but as soon as he's not happy about something that someone else does he has a sook and threatens to take his ball and go home. For instance always threatening to take the Queens B'day game off us and threatening to poach sponsors from us - now he wants us to be fined because his assistant coach got a new job and they wanted to terminate his employment effective immediately rather than let him serve out his remaining two weeks. That is their prerogative to walk him off the job but why does he then try to put the blame on us and want US to pay out his WHOLE YEARS CONTRACT??? It's just laughable but the fact the AFL not only entertains but goes along with this rubbish is just ludicrous. And why do they do that? Could it have something to do with the article earlier in the week where Pert indicated the Pies were offered their own exclusive broadcast deal for Pies games? Of course he said they would never entertain this idea but just mentioned it had been broached with them. Does anyone really believe that they do not use this type of thing as a threat when dealing with the AFL who is solely focused on the bottom line and bankrolling their pet projects up north?

Boo hoo all we hear out of Collingwood is whinging and excuses. As has been clearly stated in this thread we did not poach anyone; we advertised a job which he applied for and won. His new contract began after his current one ceased. He and Melbourne were willing to to allow Neeld to see out his contract but Collingwood refused. Secondly, how is poaching coaches different to poaching players? Surely what GC & GWS have been doing (and soon every club will be doing with free agency) is inifnitely worse than an assistant coach applying for a senior role before the year is out. The whole thing is a crock.

My dad is an AFL member with club support but has suspended it this year as he is going overseas for three months and can't afford it. I'm thinking of getting him a 3 game membership depending on finances. EDIT: Do these count towards the tally?

Each teams gameplan can be simplified to that extent when you boil it down. It just comes down to how well the gameplan is executed which comes down to the talent, fitness & discipline of the players. What is Collingwood's, Hawthorn's or Geelong's gameplan? They're all pretty simple but they've won the last 5 flags.

We need midfielders and a crumbing forward so I would be disappointed if we didn't use our 3 first rounbd picks on these (Viney locked away already obviously).

It's just an absolute shock, I sat at my desk today just completely stunned and saddened. We knew him through football but his legacy is so much bigger than a simple game. Through his life he set an example of how to live in a cynical world with hope and goodness in your heart and he faced the greatest adversity with dignity and a steely resolve to do "Whatever It Takes." The world is a poorer place for his loss but a man is remembered by the legacy he leaves and in that respect Jimmy is one of the greatest of all. RIP Jimmy, we love ya mate.

To be fair I think this is crap - so many of our supporters (particularly those on Demonland) have been following mediocre teams for a very long time. Most on here have been members year in, year out and will support the club and turn up to games no matter what. You have commented on investment in player developmnent, facilities, sports science etc and I don't think that is a valid excuse any longer. We have equal to the best facilities in the competition, we have now invested heavily in our FD. Granted this won't have immediate effect but I don't think we can continue pulling these reasons out of our arse for why we can't win. Look at St. Kilda for example. Are they really that different to us? Yet they have been unlucky to lose 2 GF's in the last 3 years.

Yes people forget the call for Thomspons head after the dreadful 2006 - people also forget how the Cats went in 2004 and 2005 as well. If we're judging ourselves by those standards we should have made the Prelim last year.