Dr. Gonzo

This - I won't not go to the game as a means to hurt the club but I probably won't go to many for the rest of the year just because I've got better stuff to do on the weekends and would prefer not to waste my time being bored/angered out of my brains. I would still watch our games on TV though (even if on IQ during the week).

The list is not as bad as they are performing and I agree the coaches/FD needs to change as does the admin side of the club. However they are still bad and I think the best this group could hope for at the moment is to push up to 9th-12th on the ladder all things going right - possibly a rung or two higher if other teams collapse through injuries etc. To put it plainly we need guys with good skills who can run through the middle and win their own ball and we need about a dozen of them. We have Nathan Jones and then possibly a few others like Viney, Matt Jones, Trengove, Toumpas IF they come on. You need at least 8 or so to make finals and about 14 of these guys to push for a flag. We have 1 and maybe 5 at a stretch. Compare this tithe sides in the 8 and even those in the lower half of the ladder like GWS, GC, Brisbane, Port etc

I agree - the "it is what it is" comment was just a flippant tongue in cheek remark referencing Neeld.

I agree but that doesn't change the fact that a large portion of our list are simply not up to it. Unfortunately it's going to take more time (at least 3 years plus more to get exoperience and development into them) which can be mitigated somewhat through trading but then you ahve the even bigger task of trying to convince the players we need to come to the club. We will not be a serious finals contender until our younger guys like Trengove and Grimes are the senior players teaching the new kids coming through which is at least 5 years off (ie when Trengove is 26-27). Until then we need to start building from the ground up with strong foundations so that in 5 years time we have the right leaders in place who can then teach the kids coming through at that stage. The hard sell is 1) to keep the players we want on the list until then and 2) to keep the supporters/members/sponsors to keep showing up and signing up. The culture of this club and the playing list has been so utterly destroyed over the last 6 years (not that it was perfect before then because it definitely was not) that I think this is the only way forward. It is disgraceful that the inept mismanagement of the club has come to this but "It is what it is".

Drafting or development?

Surely Harrington has to take some of the blame here as well. His role is List Manager and under him the management of the list has been deplorable.

Why aren't they playing Blease and Strauss? They need to get games into these guys or if they think they're not good enough delist them at the end of the year. No use sitting on the fence and have them clog up the list (FWIW I think Blease will make a good player not sold yet on Strauss simply because I haven't seen enough of him).

What leaders??? The only one we have is Jones.

My conservative estimate just going over the list quickly says there at least 15 (more likely 17-18 plus another couple who are too inexperienced to jude) players there who simply aren't good enough. We have 1 good midfielder, a couple passable another couple too young and about 23 flankers on the list. This is our problem, we need players who can run through the midfield and be effective we have an abundance of guys like Strauss, Blease, Davey, Rodan, Byrnes, Bail, Tapscotr, Grimes, Nicholson, Dunn, Sylvia etc who either aren't up to scratch or can play well as flankers but not midfielders. You need at least 8 good midfielders these days and closer to 14 to compete for top 4. We have 1 with potentially another 2 more if you want to count Viney and M Jones.

I agree the players need to bear a large part of the responsibility but while Neeld may not be THE problem as Striker said he is not part of the solution either. So Neeld is a hard arse who needs to beat the unprofessional players into line? A coach needs to be more than that and you can't even say he has done that particularly well. The club can't survive with this constant rubbish served up every week. I've been going week in week out for 25 years since I was 6 and I don't even want to go anymore not because its depressing but because its boring. It's just so bloody predictable what's the point?

Only 2.5 years til his contract expires - Jordie Mac too.

We'll be lucky if we get 50K to Queens Bday this year and the AFL will then strongly consider whether we should get it next year - quite rightly too. One of the marquee days of the year with one match and for the fifth time in six years it will be an absolute fizzer with the game over by half time.

Still over 10 goals down at 3/4 time - pretty negative if you ask me.

Oh god Matt Jones kicks into the back of Frawley's head - if Geelong are the Globetrotters we are the Generals. Pathetic excuse for a professional sports team.

Lazy and stupid footballers, I'm sick of the bloody lot of them.

If we put a fake beard on Hogan and put him in the no. 27 guernsey can we play him next week and just pretend he's Gillies?

It was her grandmother.

Neeld could take some pointers from Lyon about how to speak to journos without actually saying anything.

Yeah fair call, Neitz looked like he would dominate CHB for us until Schwarz went down and Lyon's back went but considering he's our clubs all time leading goalkicker it's fair enough that I remember him as a forward not a defender. Ok so Frawley is our second best defender in the last 25 and probably 50 years.

Only difference is the Pies play like that against the reigning premier we play like that against Gold Coast.

Support publicly, critique privately it's fairly simple. The coach should be shielding the players from the media's rubbish not adding to it.

If you need a way to fill the hours getting a job would be more productive instead of just racking up thousands of posts on here every day trying to do your best impersonation of the Iraqi defence minister.

There's a difference between optimism and delusion and you my friend are all hepped up on the kool aid.

Don't think so, he should have retired at least a year ago. If we're going to chase out of contract players there's quite a few others I'd go after first.

He used to be then he got banned from memory. EDIT: What ever happened to Jose Mourinho & Artie Bucco anyway (there was another who I can't recall as well - posted fervently for about 6 months then stopped funnily enough just as Artie started posting - then Artie stopped and Jose began...)