JJJ

I agree with your observations. It’s hard to see what he will become as an AFL player. So many aspects of the game don’t come naturally to him as you pointed out. And nothing irritates me more than a player who acts tough but doesn’t know how to get his own pill. Except for your first sentence, which I don’t agree with as I have never rated Kolt, the rest makes up a concerning dossier for a player that we’ve invested heavily in.

I watched the game for all of 5 minutes and heard BT bring up that it was inappropriate to boo Quaynor. Very very poor form from the Crows fans. Pathetic actually. Not unexpected though. Some of the worst fans out there. Re Collingwood. I think the thread title could’ve just stopped after the 3rd word.

I thinks it’s pretty natural to look at both situations and apply different rules and judgements. Trac felt aggrieved. Felt the club didn’t support him and was not enforcing core values that drive successful outcomes. (By the way, I would challenge him on the latter. From what I was told, that was a managed message from his people.) He felt it best to try the scorched earth approach and make the club implode by feeding the media. It failed from the perspective of his exit but it damaged the clubs brand (ironic no?) to the point that we were completely on the nose with potential draftees, their parents, their agents, potential trade targets, their parents, their agents and so and so forth. It even impacted commercial partners perceptions. He even got sacked by his management. (Unconfirmed) If you get a chance, ask Tim Lamb what he felt about last years trade period. He was forced to bring a knife to a gun fight. Clayton is different. Clayton has been a player that has required more steering than other players during his time with us. His output from day one has been incredible with a large drop off in 23 & 24 and glimpses of the old Clazza late in 25. The club has helped him in a lot of ways but also at times turned a blind eye to some of his antics as his performance was elite. His inner turmoil, personal problems and injury lead to a nasty spiral which impacted a large amount of people at the club and our performance as a team. The blast radius was large but it was a result of severe ill health, not an intentional act of defiance. It happened to coincide with a downturn in performance from the team as well. Poor timing. So, do I look at the two of them differently? Absofookinglutely! Trac thought he was bigger than the club and could force his way out. No matter the collateral damage. That includes supporters and members! Clazza also helped bring the club down but not in a deliberate way. Please don’t get me wrong, when he was talking with Geelong I was furious. How could he do that? Both were failed by the club in some way. Both handled themselves poorly. But someone who deliberately drags my club through the mud will need to do a lot more to get back in my good books!

I remember our recruiting team was addressing future father son selections at a function. They didn’t mention Noah. Someone asked why and the response was, he has talent and could become an AFL player but it would have to be as a power forward. They also said that his focus, at the time, wasn’t purely on AFL so his development was behind his peers. I had a loose connection to Caulfield Grammar at the time and asked about Noah’s abilities and they agreed that he was talented but not sure what he wanted or was going to do. On that basis, his rate of improvement this year is not too surprising and there should be a lot more improvement to come. He has a fanatic set shot routine and is smart. Worth a roll of the dice I’d say.

I don’t think it’s real. Whilst he may be considering his options, he can do so in the privacy of his own home. And let his agent do the talking. He’s not stupid.

I think he became a product of our game plan. He has poor hands so getting on his bike and providing longer leads will help him. It will also help clear space behind him which, to be honest, may make us more dangerous. He’s an interesting talent but may end up out of the game if he doesn’t lock down a position. Big year for him in 26.

There were a few 2000 GF players involved

Also a tremendous boxer from all reports. There was a rumour years ago that he took down 7-8 Bombers players at a bar about 10 years ago.

I hear ya…. Most of it all is hyperbolic rubbish and the rest is utter [censored].

I’m not having a go or disagreeing but I had to laugh at the list of things he’s not great at in your post. No 2nd efforts as he isn’t fit enough. Needs a new voice/coach. Lacks size. Poor set shot. Not a threat in the air. Sounds like a perfect key forward prospect. 🫠

Stkilda is the titanic and de Koning is the iceberg. What are they doing?

I agree I thought he’d be a hard nut but I think he is just smarter than the average bear and can get away with it. Unlike someone like Viney who has based his entire game and being harder than everyone else. I think he will get better at that as he develops so I am not that concerned. Becoming a better handballer on both sides and developing a right foot kick he can use in games are also on the list. Everything else should come with time and development.

It’s a timing issue more than quality of list.

I’d leave it up to May. If he wants to look around, great, find a deal that works and we can pull the trigger, If he wants to stay, equally great, we’ll see him at Pre Season training. He has his warts but he is a valuable teacher of the younger players.

Apologies if this is already in another thread but who is available from MFC to play?