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Agree. Max was outstanding and always is. He takes ownership and is genuine. He makes you believe that he will do whatever he can to make things better.

Great posts. It will be raw and painful and based on our mob involve way to many leaks to the media but for mine it seems the main reason the leaders of the club don't want it is because of the nature of the skeletons that will be laid bare. I'll admit, I have been behind the club and it's leaders staunchly the whole way along. Probably too long, too optimistic and too trusting, but the wheel has turned too far now. No other way.

I actually think Garry has the capability to be a very good president and brings with him credibility and respect in the media and AFL world in general. I'd suspect he probably doesn't have the time / energy to spare that would be required to do it well.

There are several reasons Collingwood is protected but the biggest one is Eddie's control/influence on the media, particularly in Vicotria. It's not just Collingwood that have been very successful at keeping a lid on less than tasteful or things that the media would salivate over it is was at Melbourne or a handful of other clubs. Geelong have done it very well. Richmond as well. Carlton have gotten a lot better at it in recent years. Some of it comes from the inherent respect the leaders have earned (rightfully or otherwise), some of it is they are proactive and forceful with the media and the narratives they try to push. Sadly we; have little inherent respect (aside from Max) we have not made any inroads into building that respect our leaders, it seems, either: don't know what they are doing, or; aren't doing what they should be very well, or; they are doing the best they can but it's not working/can't articulate it publicly in a manner that inspires confidence

Not just this issue Dante, several (I am sad to say). The camel's back is broken, we can't look away any longer

The media's treatment of us is but one of the biggest problems the club has failed to fix. In fact, I'd suggest whatever they have tried to do (outside of Max's efforts) has only made things worse.

The club we love is a raging tire fire at the moment, and yes a lot of that has to do with media sensationalism but that in itself is a major failure of the club over the last 2-3 years. Our communication has and is diabolical. We gain zero control of any narratives. When our leaders speak only Max takes ownership and conveys confidence that he knows we need to do better and convinces me that he'll actually try. Goodwin tries to do this but blathers about learnings, but with him I have sympathy because he needs to remain trusted by the playing group and I feel like he is working extremely hard. Pert has clearly failed on many fronts: way too many leaks to the media unable to control a narrative fails to ensure adequate communication witht the playing group still no home base Roffey has been largely unseen and made it clear yesterday that at best she is an absent and vaguely interested leader who is available if someone needs her...PLEASE! Sadly, after a lot of hard work and an amazing outcome in 2021 we pretty much started sliding down hill abou 4 months later. Some unfortunate events have conspired against us but the slide has picked up enough speed to reach the bottom of the hill and burst into flames.

Ultimately Roffey did not inspire confidence. Which as president is her number 1,2 &3 objective. This is an abject failure. She was not exhibiting racism though. That is purely lazy, opportunistic, gutter journalism. If they want to report on racism, Collingwood is on the other side of AAMI park

Has tom inferred Kate's reference to they all get homesickness was racial? WTF? Kate's performance was poor but it's clear she was referring to players from other states. Nothing else.

This is the biggest, most public, urgent issue facing any club in the league. It's embarrassing, distracting and disturbing for the players, sponsors, members and supporters. The media and other clubs are picking at our bones like buzzards and she's barely across the details. She's relying on process and structure to solve a giant problem. Roll your sleeves up and get involved. She could have convinced us she was heavily involved without disclosing specifics. But she didn't, because she's not. Sorry, simply not good enough.

The best kind! 😁

History (and some great television) tells us it's often a bad idea to mix family and business.

Equivalent of a workplace injury, near fatality and she's made zero contact and really isn't across the situation. Pathetic.

Disgraceful Your situaton is unfortunate Ungarie. I hope you are ok. When my dad passed the CEO where I work rang me within 4 hours to offer support and all the time I needed. It was much appreciated and in the scheme of things little effort for him. This is in a company of 3500 employees, admittedly we are known to eachother. Footy clubs aren't giant organisations and Superstar football players are not office managers. Kate has completely failed in her duties here. I have become more firm in my view in the 4 hours since the interview. She must go, ideally stepping down real soon (very sad to say).

Kate was more bad than good I'm afraid. Spent a lot of time trying to convince people she's happy to speak to the media any time and that lots of people are doing lots of work. Very little specifics in terms of the actions that need/are being taken. Admitted she hadn't spoken to Christian or his family for several months. Our best player, who was somewhere between critically injured and close to dying after playing a game of football in our colours!! Please...! She just had to have done more than that, herself. Kate should have been able to recount the time and date of the last coversation she had with Christian and when she expects to speak with him again. Not being able to convince the supporters that she is all over this situation, hands on, is simply not good enough.

Trac's link/friendship with Ben Simmons presents an interesting case study. Ben sat out a year in order to get a trade to the Nets. The big differences are the NBA is a much bigger/richer league, Ben was in his early 20s and wasn't a top 5 player in the league. Interestingly the NBA still credited him with a year of service despite him declaring he would sit out the whole year (and then doing just that) But...I can see a scenario where even if he remains at Melbourne his last game in red and blue will forever be v Collingwood on KB 2024

Close. The purpose of mediation is to find a middle ground that's acceptable to both parties. I'd have thought of he goes to the draft we are rid of him but get no compensation, not sure we'd agree to that. We know from previous behaviours the AFL aren't shy of bending rules to facilitate an outcome. Is there a possibility they could award us draft picks if a trade agreement could not be reached and then he nominates for the draft with a price? 😁 The other 17 clubs would love that!! 🤦

Surely the nuclear option could only pry him away from the demons. It couldn't also make sure he lands at Collingwood or Carlton? I don't mind this option if it means he goes to the club that welcomes him and is capable of providing market proven compensation to Melbourne. That's how mediation works in the real world.

Sadly if our players couldn't even sneer at Brayden, in fact they high fived and hugged him, I doubt there would be any animosity towards Trac should he ever play against us.

If anyone hasn't listened to that clip of The Ox on SEN WA. Stop everything and go do it now. The most sense spoken on several inter-related and not pleasant topics I've heard out of the media.

I think it means we'll play at least 2 but no more than 3 of the other bottom six teams twice. So it could be that we play a: total of 7 games v the other bottom 6 teams (5 first up + 2 returns) or total of 8 games v bottom 6 teams (5 first up + 3 returns)

Agree entirely. I honestly hope your weekends don't become entirely free between March and September every year but I worry they might...

👍 Not only that but where's the persecution of the Collingwood club Dr?

Great posts, nailed it No10. Disgusted by this tactic of Moore's Broke Jarrad Witt's vertrebrae only a month or so after doing this to Tracc. Disgraceful it didn't raise a mention. Steve May would have been brought before a magistrate Further on Moore, did he stay on the ground for sometime before coming off or am I mistaken?

The draftees have been pretty good since 2021, 2022 looks a bit thin at the moment but hopes are still there for Jeffo but the trades have been disasterous. 2021 JVR & McVee ✔️ 2022 Jefferson ❓ 2023 Windsor & Tholstrup ✔️ Pretty sure we haven't had the salary cap space to attract above average to very good players 2021 to 2023. Even Grundy who was high priced came with Collingwood paying a big chunk. Prior to 2021 Bernie Vince and Jordan Lewis were good in's for the time, leading to Hibberd and Melksham, then Brown, Lever, May and Langdon = flag!