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Outrageous. How lowering a shoulder when airborne and collinding with an opponents head only makes sense when it get's a Collingwood player off suspension during a finals campaign. I'd also love to know how a knee to the back at full force in an attempt to spoil is a football act. Moor did this twice in a month. Tracc then Jarrad Witts left with two cracked verterbrae. Nary a word spoken. Corrupt! Don't know but I'd have thought that would have elapsed by now. Must appeal IMV

Filthy we didn't appeal the Kozzie suspension. We should have defended to the last inch.

Maybe someone else can Step up and help him out? Do they need the title to do that. Of there's things he's not good at, give him some f'n help

I think deestars point was every club has had cultural/behavioural issues irrespective of who the captain was. There was stuff at Richmond too under cotchin

Gus may have been a good option. Probably the only realistic one in a world where we have the current version of Tracc...but alas In Max I Trust

Agree worth discussion RP. Your theory could hold water. It could also be that Max is the main reason things aren't/haven't been worse

Max is highly intelligent, rare for footy players. He also has really high emotional intelligence. He'll know when it's time for a change and he won't be just thinking about what's best for him. It will be what's best for the club. And when the change does come, he'll be able to articulate very clearly the reasons for it.

Agree. The man is a collosus

Just when demonland thinks it knows the answers, Tracc changes the questions...

Love Max. God knows where we'd be without him. Certainly no flag in 2021 and the situaton we have now would have happened years ago and probably been much worse. Suspect he is probably the main reason it's taken till now for it to really bubble over.

Classic! 😄

Great posts. It will be raw and painful and based on our mob involve way to many leaks to the media but for mine it seems the main reason the leaders of the club don't want it is because of the nature of the skeletons that will be laid bare. I'll admit, I have been behind the club and it's leaders staunchly the whole way along. Probably too long, too optimistic and too trusting, but the wheel has turned too far now. No other way.

I actually think Garry has the capability to be a very good president and brings with him credibility and respect in the media and AFL world in general. I'd suspect he probably doesn't have the time / energy to spare that would be required to do it well.

Not just this issue Dante, several (I am sad to say). The camel's back is broken, we can't look away any longer

The media's treatment of us is but one of the biggest problems the club has failed to fix. In fact, I'd suggest whatever they have tried to do (outside of Max's efforts) has only made things worse.

The club we love is a raging tire fire at the moment, and yes a lot of that has to do with media sensationalism but that in itself is a major failure of the club over the last 2-3 years. Our communication has and is diabolical. We gain zero control of any narratives. When our leaders speak only Max takes ownership and conveys confidence that he knows we need to do better and convinces me that he'll actually try. Goodwin tries to do this but blathers about learnings, but with him I have sympathy because he needs to remain trusted by the playing group and I feel like he is working extremely hard. Pert has clearly failed on many fronts: way too many leaks to the media unable to control a narrative fails to ensure adequate communication witht the playing group still no home base Roffey has been largely unseen and made it clear yesterday that at best she is an absent and vaguely interested leader who is available if someone needs her...PLEASE! Sadly, after a lot of hard work and an amazing outcome in 2021 we pretty much started sliding down hill abou 4 months later. Some unfortunate events have conspired against us but the slide has picked up enough speed to reach the bottom of the hill and burst into flames.

I think it means we'll play at least 2 but no more than 3 of the other bottom six teams twice. So it could be that we play a: total of 7 games v the other bottom 6 teams (5 first up + 2 returns) or total of 8 games v bottom 6 teams (5 first up + 3 returns)

Agree entirely. I honestly hope your weekends don't become entirely free between March and September every year but I worry they might...

👍 Not only that but where's the persecution of the Collingwood club Dr?

Great posts, nailed it No10. Disgusted by this tactic of Moore's Broke Jarrad Witt's vertrebrae only a month or so after doing this to Tracc. Disgraceful it didn't raise a mention. Steve May would have been brought before a magistrate Further on Moore, did he stay on the ground for sometime before coming off or am I mistaken?

The draftees have been pretty good since 2021, 2022 looks a bit thin at the moment but hopes are still there for Jeffo but the trades have been disasterous. 2021 JVR & McVee ✔️ 2022 Jefferson ❓ 2023 Windsor & Tholstrup ✔️ Pretty sure we haven't had the salary cap space to attract above average to very good players 2021 to 2023. Even Grundy who was high priced came with Collingwood paying a big chunk. Prior to 2021 Bernie Vince and Jordan Lewis were good in's for the time, leading to Hibberd and Melksham, then Brown, Lever, May and Langdon = flag!

Good call on Brown. In hindsight though with what we saw from Ben in 2022 - 2024 we were fortunate to have the BBB we did for those last 3 games of 2021. That mid season mini pre-season was a masterstroke. No fault of Ben's but he wasn't able to get his knee right since.

Fritta was frustrating for a big chunk of the year but when you look at the stats 41 goals is a good return. He played a majority of the season with Petty at CHF unable to do a job, though he was much better the last 6 games IMO, JVR in the ruck also causes a problem for Fitsch as he gets the number defender who is often much bigger. Jack Billings 4 goals 8 behinds. Played 16 games this year, that would be too many next year We weren't full of elite ball users but, Angus definitely above average. Salem was 2 levels better than now and was definitely and elite kick at the time. Salo also lost a yard or two since then IMV. Bowey was a deft kick out of the backline and Harmes had his peak year. A pretty good kick, tough and strong overhead. Sparrow should be at that level by now, but isn't. Our tall forwards were also better set shots than what we have now, BBB and TMac. This is leadership!

TMac & Tracc?

Plus they blew a golden chance to stick a knife in Carlton. Agree with others Jackson hasn't turned out to be a surperstar, he might still though, very young in ruck terms. How much had Gawny achieved before turning 23? We didn't really need him to a superstar, just competetive in the ruck and around the ground. He was the perfect foil for Max, faster, good at ground level and enthusiastic. As a one / two punch they would grind every other ruck pairing into the turf.