Nasher

Fair enough, I’m not across the ins and outs of what they’re allowed to offer odds on. Was just going on the assumption that if they had the opportunity to do something unscrupulous they probably would.

See, you say you can separate out long-term disappointment from enjoying the moment, then go on to list all the long-term disappointments that sour short term enjoyment for you. And your last two paragraphs are just a laugh really. You seem to think I’m unaware that this hasn’t been a good year. I’m aware. I can’t wait for it to be over. I look to each coming game with a trepidation that was pleasantly absent last year. I can only bloody hope we will be able to turn it around. Still enjoyed Sunday’s game.

Chasing the coin doesn’t seem like it would be part of Oliver’s makeup, but who knows. It’s not like he won’t get a nice payday here anyway, As far as the topic heading goes, it probably goes without saying, there’s no way the club would entertain a trade unless its hand was forced.

We received 2 priority picks (Trengove, Blease). It’s hardly worth crowing about. It also shows the value of it really. If your team’s that bad, the PP is no certainty to help by any means. Storm in a teacup IMO.

Massacred and manicured. He chopped all their toes off and painted the nails.

I didn’t see the segment and could be totally wrong but I thought it was Wilson who said we over-celebrated and Judd was in our corner.

I can separate the bitter disappointment of the season from small, in the moment wins. In my brain it’s possible for both to be true. Fairo if Steve, Jaded, Bub and others can’t.

Pretty sure the OP is joking guys.

Gambling companies aren’t going to let mere technicalities like mathematic impossibility stop them from taking money from suckers.

Was probably lucky not to be 50.

I think whether a victory feels hollow or enjoyable depends entirely on where you calibrate your expectations. I get accused of being a happy clapper on here, but at the commencement of the last quarter I went severely pessimistic and set my expectations very low. I watched on TV, and the first thing they showed us on return from the break was TMac sitting in the dugout with Hore and Petty with ice strapped on the knee. It may not have been as obvious from the ground that he was out. With one on the bench and our goal kicker out, despite the margin I was fully expecting us to get overrun. It would take an immense effort to win, I was thinking. The fact that it’s rubbish old Carlton is irrelevant, the margin in AFL is too small to not be impacted by this type of handicap. Even when we managed to lurch forward, it looked slow and listless. Skills went out the window. These are all things that are 100% predictable when you’re so down on legs, to expect anything more is just unreasonable and unrealistic. So you might understand that when I had emotionally prepared myself for the worst, my happiness went through the roof when it didn’t happen. They showed the effort that I thought it would take. I was pleased that they did. It was always going to be hard, but they did it. Yay! There were a few players who put in Herculean efforts. Sorry for being easily pleased. I’d say I’d prefer to feel bitter and twisted about a W in the column as some are, but that would be a total lie. Like everyone else, I’m totally shat at how this season has gone. It’s been a total and utter waste. From a totality point of view, the season has been a train wreck. I’m not going to allow that to deprive myself of individual moments of joy though. Nice things can happen in a crap situation. I’m going to enjoy them when they do.

Has clearly been passed by Preuss. That, or I forgot.

Out: Petty, Hore, T.McDonald (all inj.), Lewis (susp.) In: Lever, J.Wagner, T.Smith, Kennedy-Harris I guess having a few weeks in a row where the team got better instead of worse was too much to ask, although obviously Lever in is a huge positive. I’m just assuming the MRP will be heavy handed on Lewis, but if not, he keeps JKH out. Edit: Forgot all about Gawn. Oh well, choose at random any one of the three NQRs I’ve named ‘in’ - probably Tim Smith as I’d like to keep Preuss in for the time being.

Yup. Do we know the recovery time for TMac? Obviously no more matches this year, but how will his pre-season be impacted?

Hahahahahaha. It’s that or cry. How good has 2019 been?

It’s probably more just maturity and accumulation of hard work - I doubt North had low fitness expectations given they were top 8 regulars for a lot of years. He’s probably a really good example of needing to wait a long time for big players to reach the level. It’s definitely great to watch him progress though.

You almost could have scripted it. TMac finally gets going in round 16, kicks 6 goals and done a knee. You can only laugh really. Onya 2019, you’ve been awesome.

Thought it was good to see Preuss play a good game. It’s easy to take for granted how spoilt we are with Gawn’s elite fitness; Preuss was dead on his feet in the last quarter, obviously not helped by a lack of rotations. He’s got a long way to go to reach that level, but he’s got the best role model in the business, so hopefully Max takes him on that journey. I thought Goodwin’s comments post-match were interesting. I’m paraphrasing, but it seemed they’ve kept him in the VFL so his ruck craft development isn’t hindered or delayed by playing second fiddle to Gawn in the seniors. He also said “he hasn’t played much footy” or words to that effect, meaning they’re treating him like a developing young player rather than through the mature player lense we have been. Goodwin said the long term vision is still to have both players in the side. I reckon the Preuss fans on Demonland can take a lot of heart from these comments - the coach is still a fan despite the low number of games this year.

The odd splattered disposal is a feature of Hunt’s game in general unfortunately, particularly by hand. I place him in a similar category to Frost - plays an exciting style of game and does a lot right, but always a chance to do a few things in a game that make your eyes water. Surprised at the negativity on Jones’ game. I thought he had a pretty tidy game, especially considering he was on for the entire second half without break. Where and when were these terrible mistakes?

Staggering response on here as always. We had one on the bench in the last quarter, with the casualty list including TMac who had absolutely slayed them before the injury. It still amazes me that people don’t adjust their expectations despite the glaring evidence in front of them. As soon as I learned TMac was out, I knew it would be game on. But nah, everyone go on expecting greatness from an already struggling team now dead on their feet. I thought it was a really enjoyable gritty win. Glad there’s a few on here who agree.

What? Of course you can be selective. There are degrees of indescretion and culpability in any offence. I’m also suggesting that it wasn’t intended as a spray and just escalated to that point because of the behaviour of the recipient. I assume you didn’t read past my first paragraph.

Perhaps May did receive some honest feedback from his teammates about that poor choice, and there was no fallout because he copped it and moved on. It’s not about giving a player a spray every time they make an error and that’s not what anyone is suggesting. That is obviously not going to be good for anyone’s confidence. Sometimes though if a player has broken a cardinal rule, they need reminding of it. Paul Roos reminded Lynden Dunn of one by never picking him ever again. Now I didn’t hear the interview myself but Redleg said Frost said himself that he overreacted. If we take that comment on face value, isn’t it possible that it just started out as a bit of tough love that only escalated when Frosty got on the defensive and bit back? Who can honestly say that they’ve never reacted negatively and excessively when given hard to hear feedback while emotions are high? I can fully appreciate how a situation like that can explode even though both parties have good and honest intentions. I think your criticism of May and your apparent need to throw every mistake he makes back in his face in retaliation are totally unfair.

That’s the spirit!

I am thoroughly bewildered by the outrage about OMac being named an emergency. It’s not often these days that I see something on these forums that I haven’t seen before, but this one is definitely new.

Final change will just be Hibberd for Wagner. Feels very weird not having to replace an injured player!