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How do you know it didn't motivate them? Just basing that on the result? Still a very young side, I'm ok with disappointment but not with stupid expectations

PS we need to win to make finals now. That should be at least some good motivation for the final 4 rounds

Not much to say today except for the boys blew it. Butchered a lot of opportunities, a couple guys struggled badly in the conditions and it looks like it's one game Norf sets itself for. Disappointing but the team is still young it's not like we're the Cats or Hawks dropping that game, but none the less disappointing to get so close and not get the chocolates I was also [censored] off with the umpiring - how Tom Mac didn't get a fk for the arms chop in the last qtr was a joke. Considering Big Benny got a kick anytime he got touched - talk about one way umpiring

Ive missed a fair few previous posts so forgive me if you've said it elsewhere. But i giggled at the praise on JKH and criticism of Frost. I just thought it was a little harsh on frosty considering a lot of our players fumbled all night. I can pick at least 2 or 3 occassions in thr 2nd half where JKH directly also turned the ball over across half forward whixh Adel rebounded for goals. No one player had anymore impact on thr loss then another Imo. Just different perspectives I guess

Im not actually sure what we're arguing about. Refer to skuits post below - re stats. I've said all along that our inability to hit targets and hold the ball across half forward was the major factor in the loss. In another thread i pointed out how misleading stats were on jkh (not singling out a jnr player) but he turned the ball over multiple time across half forward which allowed adel to run. All factors. All im saying is we wrre pretty well beaten all day. The slippery conditions and fast track all favoured Adel. Our injuries also contributed. It really was a credit to the boys for getting close at 3qtr time as we didn't look like it all game. Maybe the conditions came in to play? Let's move on to next week, where clearences are going to be massive v port. Ive got a feeling we'll srop next week but hopefully make a massive run in the last games

Yes they did - when the ball was there to be won when it mattered (first half) Crows won clearances and contested footy. I don't have stats, it was my observation from watching. Also I'm not saying we didn't win our fair share of the footy, we did, but the quality was a lot better from the Crows Then we won the ball we turned it over across half forward and they rebounded. There is no right or wrong tere it's just opinions, but look at how the Crows rebounded from rushed or poor possessions. We were easily beaten all day Hopefully with Viney, Jones, Tyson we can turn this around in the next few weeks

My 2 cents I watched from home and thought we never looked like winning. Crows smashed us in contested footy around the ground, we were unable to hold the ball across half forward (the conditions made us look pretty amateurish - fumbles dropped marks etc) Which really played in to Adels game style. They want to rebound, and we allowed them to rebound all night. At 3 qtr time we looked a sneaky chance which is credit to the boys on how hard they played, but the reality was we turned the ball over too easily and couldn't stop Adel's rebound on the fast Darwin track,

I agree PA, I also am really happy to see JKH back in the red and blue, and I really want him to play good footy. But it's funny how we look at stats to rate a game, I can't remember all JKHs stats but I remember 3 when we were pushing in the 3rd and final qtrs. (I am not blaming the loss on JKH please don't confuse my point) But there was a handball and 2 kicks from JKH which were poorly executed and all were turnovers which resulted in Adel goals. The blokes still a kid in AFL footy terms I don't want to crucify him, but stats don't always give an accurate portrayal of how well someone played

Hahaha ripper

No fair enough, I agree totally, we can't expect that every week. I wasn't sure what you were implying in your original post though.... All makes sense with a bit of context.

Hahaha I am glad we can laugh now but bloody oath. Any Egirl dives forward etc got a FK You had to be punched in the face in an MFC jumper to get a kick after half time. Pathetic one way umpiring

I think most of us realise it was a fluke based on good luck and good circumstance - see my post above.... But I'm not sure what your point is? DOn't enjoy a win?

Yeh it's a very good point... We do seem to move the ball a lot better when we're not dump kicking or bombing under pressure to Hogan.... It's been proven this season I think though when the going gets really tough and the take no prisoners finals comes around you need guys like Hogan/Gawn/Weed (I know hes too young right now) to be there to take grabs and bring the ball to ground. If you don't have those big guys up forward I think as a team in big games you get exposed. For me why are WCE so poor at the moment///??? Their team balance is out. If Kennedy plays for WCE yesterday, WCE win. Because McGovern takes those strong grabs in defence - Pedo/T Mac don't take those grabs and instead of can't kick McGovern shooting at goal for WCE you have a coleman medallist. While I love our fast unpredictable forward line - I think it gets exposed in really big games without Hogan there

I was having a few frothies at the time so my memory isn't super clear haha. For some reason I thought it was T Mac kicked 2 in a minute

Agree Hogan who..... hahaha With 6 or whatever minutes to go I honestly thought the game was over and we really missed a key forward target (Ie Hogan/Watts) But up stepped T Mac... Might be the best 5 mins of his career to date

When you realise T Mac kicked the last 3 goals of the game!! Take McGovern for example. I reckon 99/100 (including myself) would rate McGovern as the better defender. The interesting thing about this game is neither of them played KPD for the majority of the game. Who had a better game??? I think that's obvious.... because if McGovern kicked straight the game was over... Kudos where Kudos is due - Well done T Mac

Like and agree mate. I've found trying to discuss anything but the obvious on this site is a waste of time. While there are a few quality posters on deeland the majority who love to over run threads with dribble cant see the forest from the trees. I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about the opinions on D'land

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Well I'll be buggered..... Still young will continue to make mistakes but doing well for a young kpp

Agree with your sentiment. Especially the press. Would like to see the boya fire up but sadly from ehat I've seen we are not a finals side IMO Were too sloppy with the ball and no tall forwards/ruck is killing us. We're not a bad side but we're not a god one either. Happy to be proven wrong in the aecond half

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Agreed F5 If they price is right id take him as well

Would be stiff not to get a Rising Star nod very soon (Edit: I didn't check his eligibility, probs not eligible due to age?)

Just to add to your analysis buck which i think is quiet good. Apart from Garlett (whos having a teriffic year) it's my opinion our front 6 is our weakest link due to injuries and inexperience. Funnily enough we are still scoring quiet well. Which is a credit to the boys Our press/pressure game style seems to work a lot better on the narrower grounds at the moment as well. But overall even if we aren't getting good results like you i see real positives from such a young group.

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