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Ok fair call. Im still interested who they are. I rekon we'll find they aren't that good

Please name these a graders

Lyon said nothing wrong, all he was doing is correctly commenting on areas we are failing in. And hot tip we are failing in a lot of areas. Two that spring to mind are we cant score and we can't defend (We kept the pies to 70 points weee) I don't agree he has to blindly barrack like the other morons in the media

Cant defend Cant score Good to see we are consistent, boys deserve some credit for that

Cheers - thanks for the update re contract Yeh I think Martin is very gettable and probably only a early second round (pure guess) I agree with you're point re quality of player, Hill is superior (maybe even his injury prone brother as well). One of the problems at looking at stats alone is the quality of the sides. Clearly Freo are travelling better than GC at the moment, that helps the stats look a lot better. I would love us to keep pick 2/3 and target Langdon and Martin. Develop some more of what we have - Hunt, KK, Baker etc I think those simple moves make us a lot better side.

Martin is an outside runner - he may not have produced the same as Hill (who has played in good sides compared to Martin) Martin has a ton of talent and would be a perfect fit - He is easily better than any outside runner we have, plus we have the GC connections here as well. Hill is clearly a superior player at the moment but with a superior player comes a high price. I'm not saying we are not targeting Hill, Im also not saying he won't move.... But he will cost a lot, he's' contracted to Fero for another 2 ears and is one of their best players. And if you're trading for Hill you want to be positive he's not going to have a change of heart either.

Im not saying Martin is better then Hill, I'm talking about realistic possibilities Both are very talented players. The point I think you're missing is one is contracted and potential B&F winner, while the other is mooted to want out and won't cost as much and is just as talented. I don't know Martins contract status (will need to clarify) but Martin will be a lot cheaper then Hill. I think Martin is a more realistic trade target Stats are irrelevant - What do they actually mean? Are you trying to negotiate his contract?

This is the guy we should be targeting.... Not Brad Hill Apparently unhappy up north and looking for a move

Not can, the media do have agendas.... Some are worse than others and some are afl mouth pieces and journos should be embarrassed they are associated with them

20 years ago is a long time. Fact The point is no less valid.. fact Thanks for contributing your usual dribble..... fact

I assumed. Cbf looking up when he captained them. Does it really change the point or do u think they give any goose leadership positions. By the way maybe you can use this opportunity to advise us on your thought and experience of leadership in professional or even non professional organizations

Yeh i agree. We should be looking to knock off the filth this weekend... and we won't. I can't answer those questions as i don't know the exact reasons why we've dropped the ball (pardon the pun). But i think there are a lot of balls in thr air on this one (my personal opinion) No doubt Goody needs to put some Ws on the board. But like i said you don't get gifted captaincy at an afl premier. Hes got 6 months to sort it out. Why panic, it's not like change will change our fortunes? History says we arent likey to become a successful club. Whats the worst thing that could happen by giving him a go at attempting to build something? We will still suck?

Not all people are natural sales people - but I agree his PCs are pretty tame. I like @Demonland summary so i don't have to watch the vid. But Goodwin is a captain of a premiership team, I'm pretty sure he has some leadership and inspiration about him. Because we don't get to see it in public docent mean it isn't there.

Only problem is Stevens is old and not worth the value of the other 2. Im not saying it won't happen, but I doubt it will happen as you've put "late picks involved" only

Essendon Bank on it

Some pretty poor comments as usual from the usual parrots. All the best to Macca and thanks for the hard work. Did some nice work with harmes and others. There aren't always hsopy/fairytale endings in footy

Yea i agree swly. Goodwin wont survive with this squad he needs to make moves

Has completely lost his mojo.

Don't bother mate. Just enjoy the melts. There is no point talking complicated issues with simple folks

With the risk of starting a debate I can't be assed with We have had poor disposal before this year. It didn't just happen in 2019 because Goodwin can't coach. Sorry to pop your little bubble

I couldn't find an appropriate thread But the big guy should be our captain. Thank you to Jones and Viney but you're inspiration leadership isn't there. The big fella is all heart and a real leader. Max Gawn for 2020

Game is over now Dont worry about it

12 to 4 frees tigs way It was 3 to 2 dees way when we kicked the first 3. Says a lot. We are a very dirty team

#pray for lever. Good news though we have frosty and o mac leading the backs again. Yay

I also like hiw we paid big prices for intercept player and then we dont trust them to do their job and send up multiple player to spoil them