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I cant speak for Roos and what he meant, because what he said wasn't exactly clear. Roughly off the top of my head He said he rated Tomlinson but thought we'd be after outside - im not exactly sure what he was suggesting. I personally have no real opinion. You have to trust the people im charge have a strategy in place. Afterall its the coaches etc who live and die by the sword. Roos like us on demon land are just offering opinions

I can't speak for Roosy, just repeating what he said.

I reckon Ah Chee from Suns and Ellis Yolman are worth a look. They can't be any worse then the likes of Stretch, ANB, JKH etc Also by getting Langdon via trade, Tomlinson as a FA and one or 2 more FAs enables to keep pick 2/3 or try upgrade. Not too bad without costing much at all

Greater Western Sydney utility Adam Tomlinson is set to return home to Victoria, with the Demons poised to attain his services for 2020 and beyond. ......snip... [Please don’t paste the full text of articles - there are copyright issues. Thanks]

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Roosy said he was surprised because he thought we should be targeting outside run. He may be right, but without the hindsight of knowing all the offseason moves it's pure speculation.

So once again it's all just Simons fault. No accountability for the playing group? Keep spinning that broken record, the longer you say it the more likely you'll be spot on.

Haha agree Reality and posturing are two different things. A question for the op. Are we going to trade Max to speed up the revolution? I do agree with the op sentiment though. Have a plan and stick to it

Ellis yolman is handy player. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the red and blue next year. Is he still uncontracted?

The most successful unsuccessful side getting around

Clearly Goodwin cant coach.... Oh wait wrong thread.... Still no news.....

Waybe King? Get your hand off it mate. I heard Richard Head was the player to watch.

my bad should have read all of your post

Nice summary @binman we might not agree why changes were made to the 2019 version of the game, but I think there are multiple reasons why our season never got going. They other issue id like to raise to continue the discussion is the MFC had no ace, no go to for 2019. We weren't fast, we didn't have small forwards who put on pressure, we didn't defend well, all we had was Max Gawn. I would love to see us excel in an area of the game in 2020. Where do we start? Is it retooling our mids - like Brayshaw, Oliver, Viney, Harmes etc or is it recruiting in new players? Structure or ability?

I've gone over this in the - is Goodwin the right guy thread. But put simply, yes it was a massive f up. 2019 as a whole was a massive f up. Most people don't agree with me, but our stoppage, high press based game from 2018 was completely void in the 2019 version of the game. We were required to run more and to put it simply we couldn't. We were either injured, unfit or too slow. I am no expert nor do I claim to be 100% correct, but my observation were that teams (the good ones for 2019) are the ones who organised well defensively behind the ball and rebounded well from turnover and defence. There are some otherr teams like the lions have offsensive flair, speed and a strong midfield. Teams that can run and carry from defence or create turnovers form pressing back defensively have been the most successful this year, and if you had to summarise our year we couldn't defend or score in 2019. The ball was in motion more in 2019, there were less stoppages and lack of stoppages took away Gawn and our mds strengths. We won our fair share of the ball but butchered it often. When we butchered it we had to run to defend and we weren't fit enough or fast enough to stop teams. For whatever the reason (lack of speed, injuries, lack of skill, poor structure or all of the above).we lacked organisation and the ability to execute. if you don't believe me go and rewatch the opening rounds where we tried to press and lock the ball in our F50 like in 2018 but continually turned it over and were unable to defend teams on the rebound. All year teams torched us when we turned the ball over, it didn't matter what the structure was, there was no pressure on the ball carriers and teams picked through the lack of pressure and scored easily. I think I looked at roughly round 12 and we were worse then GC defensively. When we did go ultra defensive we couldn't score - it was a really bad year. We simply didn't have the fitness, skill or structure to compete in 2019. Hence why the game plan changed on the run - think back to the mid season break and the clubs restructure, we all knew the style wasn't working. Once the game plan evolved to match to what was evolving in the game our season was already over. Our players were not conditioned to play that way and we battled with injury and form all year. Hence the article above, we got smashed in most areas of the game. You can point fingers at whoever you like, the players, the coaches, the club itself and even the supports have gotten a mention. its all been raised and discussed elsewhere. You can do all the finger pointing you want Im interested in what they do to fix it. The article above is an indication they've addressed some issues - us Demonlanders won't really ever know the inside story but I think its a good sign. Like I've said in the is Goodwin the right guy thread - I don't necessarily think a new coach would solve all of these issues from the 2019 failings. I think club stability and the overall plan are the most important for success, but I do agree win loss is important as well, it can't be ignored. So 2020 is a big year for Goodwin and co. He can't afford another 5 win season, changes will need to be made, and they've started already.

100% agree I haven't read the article yet, but imo this year was a completely different game style to last year and the players had to learn to adapt on the run, hence the reference to the learnings I expect. The other big problem imo was the new game style required a higher level of fitness which our complete list lacked. Its great having young talent but the downside is they are inexperienced at new styles and roles. I am hoping this year was a massive learning curve for all of the boys, but I agree with your sentiment overall. I was just thinking it was a bit harsh to blame just Gus when it was a failing of mids as a whole.

In fairness he wasn't alone. It was a trade mark of all of our mids this year.

Might not be going anywhere https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/02/power-in-the-box-seat-to-keep-in-demand-midfielder/

Watch this AFL give special permission - we wouldn't want the Hawks or Cats to go backwards anytime soon.

Doesn't make your original statement correct though

Just because hes a ufa doesnt mean he cant be traded for. In saying that depending how things turn out I'm not sure why you would trade for him

Yup I agree jnr, The whole league has been affected by the expansion clubs - imagine the depth of talent on lists if the GC & GWS players were distributed amongst the 16 teams. im not against AFL expansion but the fact is it Expansion has affected some clubs ability to regenerate their lists and regain success. You could argue its kept clubs like Geelong and Hawthorn up as they were able to take advantage of the new FA rules and not draft to keep their lists strong. I don't really care if GC get a priority pick, it's more about the integrity of the AFL. How can the AFL executive justify they are looking after the game when they continually make up the rules in the competition to suit their own agendas? Rules on the run

While it is not 100% guaranteed - John Ralph is reporting a head of agreement has been signed, meaning a contract has been agreed to by Langdon and the MFC. Players (or anyone) don't sign a heads of agreement if they are not certain of where they want to go. The only thing holding it up from being official is the trade happening. In saying that I have no idea if it's true or not and am relying on what has been reported by Ralph.

That's super Good chat