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It is definetly a puff peice but I am happy to get a small insight in to the club at what they are trying to acheive. Offseason 2012/13 is going to be very important.....

A very under-rated post.... hahaha was a good laugh

This thread needs more Admin bashing!

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I don't disagree with what you are saying New Age hipster, Did we do the wrong thing??????????? That is a very hard to answer..... We approached his management and were rejected - is that not due dilligance?? The problem with the R Lyon situation is that he went behind everyones back to get the Freo job. He didn't even tell his manager.... He told his manager he inteded to stay at St Kilda... not sure what else the MFC could do as it was R Lyon who approached Freo. I personally don't feel R Lyon wouldn't have come to our club anyway - he was chasing $$$ and Freo offered him $ and a decent list.

I've been told he approached Freo and it had a lot to do with cash which Freo have. People on here were balking at the money Cloke is being offered - i have heard Freo offered him similar money to coach. Thats all i really know and care to elborate on.. I don't disagree the MFC could have chased harder if they were genuinely interested.... I do not agree the MFC were careless in respect to R Lyon. I also don't think R lyon would have come to the MFC due to the list and he wouldn't have gotten the money he was after

I am not going to waste too much time on this...... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/did-ross-lyon-reall-decieve-st-kilda/story-fn6cisdj-1226142920349 this article dosen't answer all the questions but hopefully it answers why he was not approached by the MFC The bloke was contracted until the end of 2012 - why would the MFC approach him??? Fact is R Lyon went behind St Kilda's and his managements back and negotiated a contact with Freo - why Fremantle I can't answer that

I don't understand your vague refrence.... And I'd like to know how to process was flawed??? - please elborate rather then making smart ass remarks. Any chance of stating some facts?

Sadly I have to agree with TimD as well...... Off field I am keen to see how McLardy and co deal with keeping/retaining and attarackting sponsors and new opportunities and revenue coming in to keep funding the Footy Department so we have a chance of being a contender again....

I also think a few players have been shocked at their lack of demand at certian asking prices....... It will be an interesting off season

I agree and I hope and prey that that is why Neeld, Craig and Mission were employed - I hope it has been addressed This is why i disagree with all the blind hate - we need to focus our fury on something but I am hoping the coaching/conditioning has been addressed

Can we set the record straight now that NO ONE knew Ross Lyon was moving from St Kilda His management didn't know (Craig Kelly at ESP) St Kilda didn't know the media didn't know the MFC didnt know The only people that knew were Fremantle and Ross Lyon. Any discussion about Due dilligance and Ross Lyon is absolute [censored] and people should do thier own due dilligance

I also know that some MFC players haven't raised any interest from other clubs............... but if that is genuinely true it is something the MFC needs to be held accountable. And reasons why should be aired not just wrist slashing assumptions

No doubt this has been a rubbish season. I personally dont' think there is anything you can take from the last few matches of the year - as some teams are playing for something (finals) and others are just looking forward to the holidays. But I don't think it's ok to knock an opinion because some people soely want to look at results. There is nothing wrong with analysing the team structures and the team adressing the fundementals and not soely focusing on the final reslut, when everyone who wasn't a one eyed dee could see the FREo v MELB result was already sorted Posters here will say what is the point... need to win games blah blah no [censored]........ but after such a [censored] year you need to focus on something and when you follow a crap in-experienced team as we are do you need to focus on little wins otherwise you will become sad asses who all they want to do is drown everyone in their negativity..... There is nothing wrong with this thread discussing about structure and fundemental improvements from the year. I think most people on here know the team needs to get fitter, stronger and inject some more talent and dedication to the list We all know the players/team have preformed below expectations this year, We all know there is questions on their commitment and lack of experienced leaders We all know the leaders we have are not up to standard which is why there is a 19 yo and a 21 y/o captians We all know they're not fit enough which is why Craig and Mission were employed We all know skillsand attitudes from some are poor which is why the list needs to be turned over We hopefully realise there is 10 - 15 young blokes this club wants to build around but unfortunatly they're all young blokes and need time, coaching, and experience - we need to accept that we only little wins at the moment....

Just because we were flogged doesn't mean there were no positivies - We all know we're crap - at least this bloke is trying to debate some positive development.... Neeld has said he won't deviate from the process - and as much as that sucks in the short term it is worth looking at these positives otherwise we will all end up old grumpy and unhappy watching this side!!!

I agree with what you say NSC - but lets not kill all the optimism around here. Pitmaster isn't too far off with his points - they are hard to be seen as positives when we are as you point out a 10 goals a game behind most teams Thank god there was some positivity last night or what is there to look forward to?

I am not going to argue we aren't crap - because we have been this year But lets be a little realitics as pitmaster says - the year has been over for a long time for the Dees. Freo had something to play for (finals ambition) and unleass we were playing the Dogs, Port, GC, GWS or any other club in our position we were always going to struggle in the last games of the year. We are not the only team to be touched up by Failo this year

I've liked the argument - but fact is the only changes that should be made at the moment are players. (Which is an accepted practice done every year) Should Neeld not have a chance to mould the list in to a group that wants to play for him??? Or is it your plain dislike for him that demands he should go??

The boys deserve a break - I have no problems with the 'Mad Monday' tradition. I hope they come back fresh ready to put in 100% to Neeld & Missions demands

I just want to sign off by saying that footy clubs are boys clubs - and I don't have a problem with having a joke or slacking off a bit as it is a high pressure, high preformance enviroment. But these aren't rumors about messing around being with the boys - these are rumors about total lack of commitment from the entire playing list. Who is responsible/?? Players/coaches/admin/?? I dont' know. I am not trying to turn this in to a pro Neeld thread - but all the great teams are known for their profesionalisum - I am way too young for it but what i've read Norm Smith was one of the first to introduce professionalism to football - that yeilded 6 cups in 10 years??? Became one of the greatest coaches ever.. must have been a fluke Who really cares if these rumors are true or not anyway... right? This club has become irealavent anyway... how many Vic clubs have we beaten in the past 4 - 5 years??? No one cares lets continue to be a laughing stock.... Professionalism whow cares.. as a matter of fact i might just sleep in tomorrow morning

THis has nothing to do with Neeld apart from the fact that he is trying to implement a new culture at this club.... This thread is a discussion on people (MFC people) making statments about the playing lists commitment to their footy.

All except Scully are on record speaking about MFC players lack of profesisionalism..... All of them are in the industry so yea I will listen to their comments and formulate an opinion on that.... You can choose to bury your head in the sand and call this a beat up - but maybe just maybe our ladder position is in indication of how poor of an attitude this list has and their attituted is a reflection of the output on the field. Kind of ironic they are near GWS and GC isn't it who have such low experience and condition for AFL standard.....You seem to be blody happy with the past few years efforts by the boys - we'll i am fuckin not....... There is an old saying hardnut - where the is smoke there is fire - make all the smart ass comments you want but our recently retired club champion hasn't stopped talking about the lack of professionalism at this club

All jokes aside - and I am not having a crack at you Biffen but... How many dots do we have to connect??? I am not saying they do nothing at training but lets look at the facts Scully leaving - apart from the money - rumors he left for unprofessionalism Soft Football taunt from teh Carlton football club who play a soft brand of football themselves Inability to run out games of football and mental fade outs for qtr's and halfs of football for the last 2,3 plus years Brad Greens departing words on numerous occasions saying the boys need to look at their professionalism Neeld is on record saying the list is not fit Jim's book Tony Jones at a function I was at this week mocked Jack Watts for what was in Jim's book (these rumors) which Jack had no reply Take from that what you will but the more dots you connect the stench of lack of professionalism is rancid........ I could cop it if they were playing finals but the reality is these blokes aren't good enough and a lot of people on here question why...............

Thanks NSC - with recent revelations from Jimmy's book about player professionalism this is an understatement from Greeny! All respect to Greeny though - club champion - Show these f@3&en slackers the door Neeldy

I haven't had the chance to read Jimmy's book yet either - am looking forward to it F@%# discgrace this club........................