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Often when players are sought in this manner, second chance and not expensive, there is someone in a club flying his flag. Id be dead curious to know who his champion is at the Dees. I really dont see much here. That's my opinion of course.

is that Viv's sister ?

Anyone can be critiqued at any time. How much weight you or anyone wished to apply to it is another thing. Everyone gets evaluated. I hope Simon holds up the Cup one day. In reality though I just want SOMEONE to hold up that bloody cup. My little jury of one is out currently. When do you think a good time might be to appraise ? ( for me it's continuous )

it might be argued ( for no real outcome ) that possibly we blinked first and maybe a slightly better deal would result if say sorted monday or tuesday after the Crows could "sweat" it out over the weekend. But that's probably more fanciful dreaming than practical. Lever went at 14 in a fairly decent draft year. He's now had THREE years of development and conditioning . He landed an AA squad possie in only his third year and leads ( or near to ) the comp in some very demanding and impressive areas. So in effect he's now a value added #14...ready to go ...( and more ) player who seems for all intents able to keep his feet , not just stay on the field It's very easy to talk up new acquisitions I grant you that. What we are dealing with here is an absolute known. There's no guessing. There's no real development required. And he's good to go NOW. The various values ever applied to Picks are notoriously wanderous in nature. All picks come under the "What If" banner., all a bit Russian Roulette only with more chambers full..i.e NO Guarantees about anything. I'm not sure what playing hardball would have achieved if at the expense of playing 'clever' ball. Often in the trade period we see deals unfold , or indeed FOLD because of time constraints. Irrespective of how long trade periods are many will go down to the wire...and many opportunities present as things become fragmented. The one aspect of Josh that impresses me ( there might be some that don't ...but that's not for here ) is his teams ability to conjure. If i would suggest to anyone anything about trade is judge it best at the end. I think we've paid just about market for Jake in terms of ability, availability and expedience of business.

I dont doubt you Red.. you suggested many moons ago a deal was ripe and all but inked.. both parties on same page. It's not the highest priority trade for anyone. Id be worried if if was.

you would hope so

Im not sure if ANYONE actually understands how it works.....least of all the AFL !!

Now Jaded, you're not seriously expecting the many to understand the fluidity of the currency ? Whilst somewhat speculative in nature the idea of evaluating any forward picks based upon expected /hoped outcomes whilst risky is if nothing else expressing a confidence if not a fairly agreed upon expectation of where we OUGHT to finish. Then again for some it seems it's all about collecting the best deck of cards, for others....it's winning games. Money/picks....has no real value other than what yo DO with it.

Well done Melbounre Welcome Jake The whole arena of picks is a bit like Forex....relative values sliding up and down . It's really bout what suits YOU at the time. Any of the picks used this year r next on kids will be waiting 2-3 years for any real return ( on average )...then there's the "lotto effect" We havent finished our horse trading yet so who knows what we will end up with in picks and even bringing next year into the equation also who knows how trading will shape our opportunities then. I think this is cLEVER strategy . We know exactly what we are getting and it suits out requirements. Overs is very subjective really. Enjoy the break Jake....got a big preseason ahead

In reality though does that matter to him or us (mfc) Paul is for Jack. Mfc isnt.

Dunno..fine from here

Apparently Tex is going in for surgery... Word has it they're scouting around for another half a brain !!

Tex and his texans have dropped their collective bundles. Too many drinking from the Torrens currently. Tex and his fellow indignants might possibly take a moment to reflect as to the why of the many leaving the Crows before uttering such nonsenses. A question to Adelaide, might Lever actually be leaving for MORE and sustained SUCCESS ? He's entitled to the money, it's footy; but before you can place one above the other in argument you might want to be able to back it up. Adelaide are conjuring hypotheticals as though they were FACT then adjudicating upon this. Possibly Adelaide has looked in the mirror and not liked what it has seen and so has to start blaming folk for their failures. So, let's start pining the "deserting rats" !! Adelaide are full of more "rats" just waiting to leave too. The Crows are in a murderous mood but they'll be the ones taken down a peg or two I sense in 2018. Many will play but not with their hearts in it. Better open another Bin 407 chaps...

interesting choice there. ... Biffo's barking mad and his dog bark's madly Crow's CEO's Wife...got to be a font football knowledge there !! My god...the crud they dredge from the Torrens these days “From my understanding ( so subjective ! ), and I’m not a club spokesperson ( but I'm going to pretend I am now ) but I do hear a bit, and from my understanding ( see previous ) theclub is pretty bemused (read..mightily plssed off ) byall those reports,” Alana Fagan Stick to the Chardonay Alana. Melbourne reportedly getting the job done. Crows returning to earth !!

the table hasnt been set. Adelaide cant even be bothered sitting at it. You might rethink a tad. Its more than likely 10 and 27 WILL be spent. But until they are you cant KNOW they will. There's nothing binding about 'talk" that's just Life "101" The Croweaters are beligerent.. The scene has already been discussed no end I imagine. The 'out' is the draft. Adelaide should be in no ignorance of this by now. Yes it's an ambit play but one we could enact..and win. We don't want to be seen as ungamely so offer effectively "overs' The art of the deal...is to always be prepared to walk away...next best thing...upset the table. Do you deal in a world where things are hard set..or fluid ProDee. I wonder. This has been going on for months. Time to end game it

If nothing else...we haggle. Our offer just changed ? 10 and a third rounder Sign quick while we can be bothered !

Always was....and change possibly.( Swap of picks ) 10 AND 27 is bloody generous. Adelaide, gone from Grange grandeur to Goon grumps.

Now we're getting close. Me being, well , me , would want their future 3rd back as well. Mahoney is pretty well on the money. Has been on many occasions. A shrewd haggler

Tex showed with his ' conciliatory and gracious ' speech in defeat just what a top bloke he is. Burton by comparison, to well, anything 'reasonable' is just a boofhead. I dont mind Adelaide the city. Football....

Dwayne is no fan of intelligence !!

any wonder Crows botched their GF aspirations !!

Cornes is a very annoying primate.

Viney IS a captain. Viney's position is far more front and centre ( literally ) If we were asking for Sloane it would be a different story. We aren't. Your analogy is wrong Nasher. Even 10 and 27 with no change is a bit steep. Crows are notoriously aholes at trades.

Its an interesting comparison to Hibberd. Lever currently isnt quite as good imho...not right atm.. He might become better but then we dont know what Pig's ceiling is either. As a 'hypothetical" is Hogan was traded it would definitely be for 2 first rounders or equivalent at least. Lever isnt worth a Hogan so by that comparison Crows demand of 2 x1sts is just quietly between anyone and me.......a crock of shlt !!

imho the 2 picks are just an opening ambit bid( or demand). Hard to mark down from a reasonable price. So set the scene;. They ( or their media friends) have. Game on. Nothing new. I agree as it happens that essentially pick 10...but with a later swap of picks is fair. But it's footy