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Im sorry...maybe its just me that sees this as quite hilarious. Here you have someone who works in the media.. yes the media...that innocent of all contributors to life !! yeah right ..lol ..taking umbrage at how we amatuers view and comment on things sporting. People have probably been cr@pping on about sport since roman times,, hey Antony, did you catch those lions last night.. that forward pawket seemed limping, maybe his trainer ought to be sacked !! Honestly there is nothing new at all about any of this. perpsective..hmm...we all have one..and this article needs to be put into one. quite frankly I think its bit of self serving rubbish makig its author out to be a bit holier than most. Sure it's commentary, but what does it say...Yo..people get a grip !!.. so what s new. People will get invective whether its the ol bay 13 times or the members ( seen it happen ..lol ) the office on monday.. . Ive seen AFL argued 12000 miles away.... well he was an idiot wobbly supporter ( vbg ) . His article is commentary on...COMMENTARY !!...and this I suppose is commentary on that. None of it really matters. What he did manage to evade in his wordsmithig was the fact that had not the AFL in this instance fallen into some swamp of ineffectiveness over the last...ooh say 5 or so years, then possibly the rabid masses migt not seem to vindictive ! why is he at all surprised that in a city where the predominant religion IS football.. I mean...add up all the patronages to the various grades , levels of footy on a weekend and compare to church attendances !!lol.. melburnians are passionate about football, so what new for Abletts sake !!

awww....pawwwww Gerard.....must have been having just a miserable day !!!

I thought there were automatic penalties ?? The AFL are now certifiably funny..... bunch of clowns !!

fair crack peoples.... the AFL is too busy buying up 'property ' on the Gold Coast..or is that only a ruse...or a roos ??

There have been many times in my working life , and indeed in some working environments where push came to shove....and it was either the boss..or the client..or someone who was in charge or held the purse strings that decided for their betterment that things werent going according to some plan, or quick enough...or smelt nice enough...or too much debris etc... you sort of get the picture. it wasnt what was needed, or wanted, IT WASN"T RIGHT. the order went out.... GET IT DONE. There was no real discussion or care as to why things werent going well...what did it matter...it simply wasnt happening...and it was supposed to be. Its amazing what can be done when you are held to ultimatims, when you are held accountable ( sometimes without cause, but thats another story ) You find things within yourselves, within your abilities, within your team to pull the extra digit out, and repeat it, to burn the midnight oil. To simply (as Nike would love ) to just do it. If you dont , there is no second prize, no reward, no repeat contract or work order........there is nothing....a whole lot of nothing !! you perform ............... or ...................... you perish !! this same criteria applies to AFL. MFC ... we dont need you rhetoric....we dont need reasons why things dont happen, we dont want excuses. we just want results we've all waited a long long time, been promised a lot of things that havent come to pass, if you were a listed company you would be bankrupt through expediency, carved up and buried, you've promised rebuilding youve promised better times... many people invest their hearts, their time, their money into that slim hope of substance come September. MFC...repay this faith do something, GET IT DONE what is IT...It is forward movement, it is sempbalnce of success, it is an acknowlwdgemetn that 43 years of drough tis long enough, that 10 years of preaching without manna is enough. you're geting the business right... how about trying your hand at football. please keep in mind there is more than one election this year MFC if it isnt happening...change it .. thankyou

trust me youre not alone... bit there were many more things you could ascribe to the " next useless pice of garbage" little things...why is Dannerrs so good at noting what went wrong....afterwards !! always seems to take 1/2 a game to sink in etc. others have already noted we should have played bottle up he oppo from the get go....yet it is trundled out as some sort of surprise...afterwards. Cb esponges that we ought to put in 4 quarters...well haleluajh people there's a revelation...we have to play 4 qrts...who'd da thunk ?? Keep in mind JJC ...Danners seems easily pleased...apparently...well if you lose and put in a mediocre half then he's good with that. well he must be...he wasnt calling for anyones blood...or at the very least voicing distinct heartache. All is well.. despite injuires.. ..well.. at least HOPEFULLY the team will rejg itself.... these are his opinions...not mine !! Do I not appreciate he's got a bad plate.. I do.. I didnt make the plate. Nor did he to be fair...but he holds the knives and forks. he can orchestrate he plate thats left. JJC...it will now depend on what ultimate outcome he thinks is gainable for the club as to how he plays the few cards he has left for the year. JJC...youre not alone....not by a long set.

on that note how about half time...and a new topic...its going to be a long season !!

confidence is a qualifying factor...it sort of colours things. player A can kick a ball....that is a skill. How he uses that skill or its effectiveness comes down to a number of things. 1) what is going on around him 2) what he thinks he can do 3) what he has been told he can do. 3) what he actually can do 4) confidence to execute any one of these things will interact with the others. but strangely the only one that is contagious...is confidence. i rate confidence highly...we have zilch...we try and fake it...but its exposed.

those who feel we can ....'salvage' the season...please qualify.:-) ..am not being nasty or such..just want to establish as to what level of accomplishment it is we attain to satisfy ..'job done" we were mainly of the opinion going into this season that we ought ( indeed had to ) be top 4.. the maths is way way agaisnt this happening...so unles that can be got...no salvage is really on the horizon..is it ? So then what do we do aspire to ?? Is near to good enough...?? and if so,,,how near is ...NEAR or do we scrub all previous illusions and repaint the landscape with achievable outcomes. if that's the case...what indeed can we achieve ? short term - probably not a lot. or do we start to resculpt the team.. not rebuild.. as we do have most of the building blocks.. just possibly they arent where they need to be nor are some exeprienced enough . So many will think it very un-supporter like to suggest we cut ourlosses and start looking afresh at 2008...but may I sugest if we have no win on board by the end of round 5 then any other interpretation of what is REAL is highly just fantasy. By all means play out the game of 'salvage ' for a weel or two..hell even three....then start giving the kids...who are our future a go... we need to go forward...not back

it does beg the question. if Trav has an injury to his hand...and he must otherwise why the scan etc... and others have noticed his concerns on play day. then are we ( well MFC ) risking exasperating this by playing him. is this an act of a prudent list mamangement ? or does it smack of desperation ? or is he suddently "all better" ? For his own sake...id only want a reasoanbly fit TJ to play... no point making a bad situation worse.

No its not !! he didnt claim to do anything towards a dog now did he? You have your thoughts ..i have mine

well i'll try ...but i cant guarantee you will get it.. a comment describing some supposed act towards his dog, whilst outrageous is hardly likely to extract must of a response but simply bring to question the originators persuasions and mentality, it s nothingness because its inane. The act itself is vile...but would even to headland be considered fanciful and non direct. A blatant comment directed to him about his daughter is far far more likely to create an image of horror and disgust etc in DH's mind as this is something we do hear of in society. Youre trying to equalize two disparate acts in order to justify some argument. They are not apples and apples. but if you havent got it by now... you may never.

If i honestly have to explain then nothing I or anyone here could say would clarify it for you.

what are his options ?

there is a significant difference between.. you kick like a girl... or I had your mum...which whilst low, might be in the realms of reality ( its a weird world ) to I F***ED YOUR DAUGHTER ( inferred as was referring to the image, and was identified as his ( DH ) 6 yo daughter )

but if we were to be biased to wards ex Dees.. Brett Lovett.. given he has no affiliated teamlists to play with.. he has rebuilt the Dolphins and given them backbone. He doesnt take sh!t. I'd interview him edit : I'd also look at Williams...he has knowlwdge of our list.. an inside knowledge for sure.. but couldnt see Sandy handing him up

most likely candidate to come from current AFL assistant circles. But there are other leagues. :-)

I am no moral crusader, they invariably have some other agenda , as you sugest. I dont for one minute consider that Sillywood actually commited any act wrt to the young lass, thats not actually the point. I believe a line was crossed, but we will simply have to disagree.

Moral Crusading .... and its everyone elses fault.. !! please feel free to make any sense of that...how are the two related or relevent ? So its wrong to think innapropriate comments about the rape of 6 yo ( real or otherwise ) are quite ok?? No not every one is saying it because they are worried about how they are perceived, some simply think its vile and wrong. where's the line...well.. the AFL have already made racial vilification punishable, maybe they will bring in other guidelines. Dont know Bob...do you fancy your opponents dog ? :-) do you have a young daughter Bob..

what are Lyon's real credentials....beyond being a favourite son? What has he really done in coaching ? cut al the sentimental cr@p , what has he PROVEN ?

all but everyone would know Hedland is a nutter...not the question...nor point. And entirely probable that Selwood and others were told to wind him up if the chance presented...thats almost a given. But , if we are to take the reported comments as gospel, then after the initial comment and retort by Hedland.. Selwood ought to have stopped there... But he of his own volition chose to carry it forward into a, what can only be described as 'sick puppy' territory. No one for a moment would beleive he had committed the act.. but the nature of the offensiveness to a father of a young girl is beyond qualification. btw..you dont 'boink young girls...you RAPE them !!

how does anyone know what Voss is capable of as a coach... he's done Zilch !! Do not understand why anyone is putting him on any wish list... otherwise Im all for Santa Claus...... after all he knows who's been naughty and maybe he can hold back presents as a method ot team discipline !!! how about we stick to real candidates !!

Id be quite interested to know ...of those who dont think the comments made by Selwood are anyworse than other inane sledges, or think this is just part of the game etc... who has a young daughter ? ( or son ) I do.. I dont play footy any more.. and only play competitive sport at a very very amatuerish level. There is still much argy bargy...and the occasional and obligatory silly words said. Most would be like water off a ducks back.. would be laughed at. However..should someone be so stupid to suggest anything along the lines of Selwood they would soon be wishing that they hadn't. I have no idea how an indigeous person feels about being villified, and almost hypocritically i will open myself to criticism here and suggest its no worse than being called any other of a 100 names about ancestry or nationality as many of us were at school...and yes it hurt but we got through it. But i will put comments of a sexual nature about a minor in a very different category. I dare say the community as a whole would. At best it displays an immaturity and naivity by Selwood, at worst an absolutely disgusting desensitivity to innapropriate sexual behaviour. I think Selwood needs to learn a lot from this, as does WCE and the league in general. Yes a lot of 'stuff' goes on on a sporting arena, some is just ( like it or not ) part of the game, and some is just vile and reprehensible. Anyone who condones it might have a good long llook at themselves too. Selwood your dead lucky it wasnt me or a few of my sporting FRATERNITY...as you'd still be picking yourself off the grass...if you were lucky !!.. Does that make us equally irresponsible and immature.. thats a possible barb that might be hurled, but I bet it wouldnt be said by any parent of a young child !!

have no doubt lots of very crudy things are said..and for various reasons...just curious why anything is off limits.....i mean..how do you draw lines

am curious...why should racial remarks be off limits..and disgusting remarks about a little girl not ?