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further to my disagreement that toumpas' first year has been "sensational" - he has regularly ducked his head in contested situations (against gold coast in particular he was poor before being injured) - his tackling attempts are often one-arm reaches rather than dedicated attempts - he doesn't one-two run as outside players should, i.e. he doesn't get the ball, dispose of it, then make himself an option further afield - he doesn't look remotely fit enough (see the photo posted on the mfc facebook page of him in a recycle bin ice-bath? he's nowhere near as ripped as other players, and looks a bit porky) - he's not quick for an outside player players i can think of off the top of my head who've had better first years than him in 2013: - jaeger o'meara (the kid is a freak) - ollie wines - brad crouch - lachie whitfield - sam dwyer - jamie elliott - sam mayes - nick vlastuin - jake neade and that's just 2013. melbourne players who i can think of off the top of my head who've had more impressive first years than him in recent times: - nathan jones - clint bartram - matthew bate - jamie bennell - jack trengove - tom scully - cale morton - ricky petterd irrespective of his hip injury, we were told he was 'ready to go' by nearly every story on him prior to the draft. he looks far, far away from that. the damning fact for me is that cale morton produced superior football to toumpas in his first year in 2008, when we were probably even worse than we are in 2013. fortunately, from what we've seen he is a very nice kick, but he has a long way to go to be what i was expecting we were getting when we drafted him. a sensational first year? not on your life.

Gotta disagree with that.

anybody seen the photo of him in the ice bath up in darwin? no wonder he's slow.

Sylvia lowered the eyes and hit up the leading Howe. Missed the difficult shot 74-88 now

morton's first season was arguably much more impressive than what we have seen of toumpas so far. i remain confident that jimmy will not end up where morton has some six years into his career. and i'm not even a massive wrap for the kid!

It is not atrocious, that's a fallacy.

his ball use was excellent. but he missed an opportunity to take a mark in defence in the second quarter because he was scared of the hit - had an 'uncontested spoil' instead. once he backs himself to take those grabs he'll be good. we desperately need the likes of viney and [insert draft pick(s) here] to get the ball on his hands. he's a lovely kick.

Nope, not if you saw Wines game against the Pies :-) Jimmy's disposal efficiency is really deceptive - I thought he hit a lot more targets than the stats are giving him credit for. He also didn't duck out of contested situations last night. Much better, here's hoping he keeps improving.

was gobsmacked he was still available at #4, i'd heard such good things about him in the sanfl, and then was so impressed by him in the under 18s last year. really disappointed with his lack of desire to go and get the ball. thought he'd be much more of a hunter, but it looks like he's a pure receiver at this stage in his development. has lovely skills by foot, just needs to add a lot of energy to his play - he sits back rather than gets involved at this stage, and his one-arm attempts at tackling are watts-esque. he'll get there, i hope. i mean, we have to don't we? we need some of our draft picks to come through and be guns. hopefully dmitri can be one.

both should be superstars of the competition, all things being equal. essendon should be a terrific side if they don't all cop 2 year bans for peptides.

Would do that deal in a heartbeat. Can't see GC17 wanting Bail tho - his foot skills are terrible and he wouldn't improve their side.

at least he's being called out, and everything that's said on here is neatly summarised for the general populace as to how our supporter base is feeling about a player who has not stagnated but actually gone backwards since his debut season. it's terribly disappointing. we need our early draft picks to be stars. not one of them is.

moo kowal. for mine, still the worst player to play 100 games in the red and blue. had pace...shame he couldn't kick, mark, or handball. sean charles and brent heaver both debuted by kicking 5 against carlton...who recruited both of em after they'd given us service. paul prymke was shaping up as one of the best fb's of his generation, only to be cruelled by a bad back. we picked up a lot of duds from sa - sampson, ormond-allen, nick pesch, et al. balme had a soft spot for his fellow croweaters.