daisycutter

Or talked into going onto the rookie list on same contract conditions? Happened before.

yes but his veterans rookie upgrade possie will still be available won't it?

Geez, no love for Petterd Had his best game for the year, did nothing wrong, instrumental in many of the early goals Had 18 disposals, 8 marks, 9 I50s (most) - not bad for a fwd flanker Didn't get a mention either on 774 when they discussed the dees best 8-10 players GOOD GAME RICKY Edit: added I50's

So, what we need is a KillamanJurrah?

I don't know why I bother replying I knew I should have kept away from a Scully thread There is nothing wrong with paying Scully what he is worth based on his form, it just won't happen. But, to suggest that in this situation he would disregard his elevated value (by GWS) and not expect more (than his 'form' worth) from MFC, that is what I believe is fantasy. If he stays he will be paid more than he's worth (using your or mine definition of his worth based on form). The gap between his 'form' worth and what GWS offer will be HUGE (and I'm not thinking of the really high figures bandied in the press) I did give opinions. It is a no-win situation (if GWS make an offer). I'm not going to give an opininion on stay/go because I have NFI as I said previously. I also said I have doubts whether GWS are making a big play and if they are I can't see why they'd go for a Scully type. If I post again in this tiresome thread someone please put me down Edit: Go and read your op #1081 - that is what we are discussing

Rubbish reply You originally said he would accept fair based on form. Nothing else, for example what GWS offer. In other words take GWS out of the equation and he would accept an offer based on his current form only As I said pure fantasy

Those situations are probably more arguable ans less obvious. There are also contract considerations that may differ and certain players could be paid for what they miss etc. Without more details its hard to say if it is the same. With Scully we would be talking of more blatant actions. Sculley is also on the more basic draftees contract with big bonuses (comparatively) for games played. Playing all games is worth close to $100K for him. Anyway I don't think MFC would do this and if they did they would compensate him accordingly to avoid any legal issues. And BTW NRL clubs have this issue every year, its all out in the open and they play the players.

I think if a club played someone who was obviously capable, in form and fit to play, in the magoos for the suggested reasons, they could be in breach of contract or something under restriction of trade practices. Players also have bonuses based on senior games, B&F votes etc. which would be impacted Anyway (most) AFL clubs would be unlikely to do this and see it as unethical, IMO

This is the bit that doesn't compute He will surely look at 'market' value which will be inflated by GWS (assuming they really are interested in him) then if he wants to stay will accept something between 'fair' and 'market' value No doubt this would still be way over 'fair' value. You believing he would accept fair value based on form is just fantasy

I really hope that's untrue and Tom Scully doesn't become Tom Sully

not to mention Mike Sheahan and his drivel

Looks to me like a no-win situation..... He goes and we get insufficient compensation and a player development delay (don't kid yourselves we'll get a good deal) He stays and gets paid way way over the odds for a 19 yo with the attendant problems this causes ...and I still don't understand why his type of player is what GWS really need to spend big money on

Yep, I like it (if we have to have a clash jumper) Be aware that Scwabby says we are not allowed (AFL) to have a predominately red clash strip

i heard 40 possessions in wafl

Why would anyone with any brains do it now when real estate prices in Sydney are dropping Just as well you are not in real estate Rhino

Good comments. Lets hope he continues to improve.

OK, no probs, I got the gist but Pagan/Carlscum wasn't the best comparison My op was really nothing about Bailey It was just making a what-if point about a hypothetical acquisition of Malthouse after others said he (and his FD demands) would be too expensive for the MFC I'm sure he would drag along some revenue and he would have to have some success with the list he'd inherit. But I'd have no idea how much he could drag-along and whether it would compensate the extra costs, finance is not my bag Was just tossing another consideration into the pot

yes, it was sarcasm. I should have put it in quotes though

So I take it from your cryptic answer that you don't feel there would be any drag-along financial benefit to hiring Malthouse and that he wouldn't bring more success? Fair enough that's your opinion

Just a bit simplistic Kojak I doubt Bailey has just one KPI

Well you might be mistaken But it depends what context 'don't mind' is taken in many don't seem to mind because they have accepted white is mandatory BTW am yet to see the blue shorts which I feel would make a (little) difference

If we got a Malthouse I wonder how much money that would drag along from extra sponsorship, extra membership, extra attendance etc and then if we had more success it would continue to generate more money Sometimes you have to spend money to make money We certainly aint going to make money sitting in the bottom 10 and having the odd big win and many honorable losses.

Can't disagree with most of what you say Tom (/his mgmt) obviously think he will get a better deal by leaving it till end of season If he intends staying I hope it is not on an unrealistic payment as that will have repercussions for years to come (and in fact impede future flag hopes which would be to his detriment too) Personally, it doesn't make any sense to me why GWS would want him as a marquee player. He's too young and inexperienced to say how good he will be and he has obvious flaws in size and kicking and he is too inexperienced for leadership roles. As for PR he would mean nothing in Sydney and hasn't the maturity yet to be the public face of the club. In short, he is nowhere near your Ablett. As a young developing good prospect why would they bother spending big money when they have the pick of the countries youth for minimal cost. No, doesn't make sense, they need a few experienced hard-bodied good players...not Scully Still, the circus continues and the media only make it worse by their lack of objectivity.

Getting a new coach is not a popularity contest.........sheez

probably true but I decided a while ago to let him have the full season to put his case as someone else said then there is the second issue - who?