pitmaster

Spiel...but from Jeff it's always hot air.

It's long past time that people in this state took Kennett seriously. He squandered one of the great electoral victories and saw himself tossed out after two terms when he should have been guaranteed a decade. So he is attached to a successful club. It's never been his doing. His opinions should count for next to nothing.

How did they stuff that up? Clearly over the line on first viewing. Pathetic that commentators don't speak up.

40 over four seasons 1963-66

Boots and shorts?

Sorry, what may not have been allowed? A merchandise stand maybe. But a sign pointing to the shop surely would be OK. I went round to the shop and belted my credit card, so purchasing was allowed.

Went to the 'G for my pick up. Four key rings included - Viney, Gawn, Harmes, Brayshaw caricatures - per member was a neat touch HOWEVER, the club missed an opportunity. Since the pick up was at Gate 3 there should have been a merchandise stand as well or at least a sign directing people to the demonshop near Gate 7 which was open but (when I was there) deserted! There was nothing to tell members the shop was open or to display what was available a few hundred meters away. And no sign on the door of the shop that it was even open. Management needs to be more assertive, even pushier, to move those merchandise sales.

Yet they abandoned Dingley.

It doesn't help us but I am taking quiet satisfaction in the fact the Hawks pokies are silent, and hopefully the debt on those gaming facilities is bleeding their reserves. F--- them now and forever.

Normally I am in accord with you MS so I am surprised to find myself vehemently opposed to your ideas on this. Without a base, and without something that tells its story like a museum or a physical Hall of Fame, a football club, any sporting club, is just an idea. That's what we have been for years; a concept we carry around in our heads but with nothing physical to show for it. Seinfeld said sports fans are merely barracking for a shirt so when a player changes teams/clubs it's a matter of "Boo. Wrong shirt!" That's us, an idea represented by a shirt. I'd like something more.

Noted that. But Chapter 11 in the US is intended to enable companies to trade their way out of strife. It is not the end. Any car hire company is going to feel some pain under lockdown. Hopefully our Hertz can ride this out.

Tks.

Chunks' presser this afternoon has Zurich, Hertz, Jaguar...and Furphy ale as our sponsors. Any posters know when this was stitched up?

Met a mate in that cafe. It was jumping. Probably full of filth employees bludging but it was certainly turning a dollar. I suspect social clubs, like pubs have been hit by drink driving laws, but I think they have a place as long as they are part of a home base which should include a club museum along with admin offices. Having seen the Hawks museum, and the Bombers and the Pies halls of fame I can vouch for the fact they are very evocative and have real appeal to diehards. It's a shame we have nothing like that. Even Fitzroy has a space at Docklands given over to old Lions memorabilia. Those who attended Gutnick's fund raiser back in '96 would remember the Demons memorabilia in the old change rooms where that event took place. It was wonderful old stuff that is otherwise unseen. I reckon a home base, with a museum cum Hall of Fame, training and office base and social event spaces would still work, especially in the vicinity of the MCG because it is so well served by public transport. It would also give the players a sense of their place in history. Imagine story boards about the great unexpected victory of 1926, the arrival of Checker, the achievements of Bluey in the Battle of Britain as well as on the field, the other blokes lost in war, the Red Fox story board, the extraordinary achievement of two triple premierships, the indigenous Demons, the Northey and Daniher revivals...there is so much material to work with to make a brilliant museum and Hall of Fame that would be an enormous drawcard. That is a long winded way of saying I respectfully disagree.

Judgemental about other clubs? That's everybody. I have heard some Hooray Henry private schoolers among our supporters lording it over the Bulldogs in class terms which frankly gave me the sh&%s, but toothless Tiger supporters, drunken criminal Woodsmen, ratbag brawling Bombers supporters, snooty Hawks...I hear more of that from other clubs. Where did Jim say that?

Good effort. Where's the bar?

Silver Tails is such a falsity. We're one of the least financially able of the Victorian clubs.

Or Ooze. His game day strategist.

Settle down. Danny left in 2004 to become CEO of Athletics Australia. Posters get a little loose here from time to time. This one's a beauty.

He didn't say Blew was a cheat. That's a common misrepresentation. He said umpires are prone to favouring struggling teams as a human frailty. He actually suggested umpires are human. Go figure. Blew chose to make an issue of it but read Red Fox for the true story and to see what was really said. Blew cared so much that the case was never heard. Despite all that the board was a disgrace for not backing Smith.

i do believe you're onto it.

We didn't come to play...

Suffered some trouble with the law which was a shame. His injuries, debts all played into it I believe. Nickname: Piggy.

Aaaah BB, that old line. OK, Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. But not everyone’s entitled to claim some special authority for their opinion, and not all opinions are equal. First, this article appears under a picture byline on a specialty sports publication or section, just like professional writers like Mike Sheahan and Jake Niall. Now theroar is free and the writer may go unpaid for all we know, but in its presentation this opinion lays claim to authority, not just an opinion like you find on here, so it is judged more harshly. Second, its bold declarations (slow as treacle, cannot kick, one dimensional) are blunt, not supported by evidence and not qualified by descriptions of other attributes the player may have, such as in this case courage, determination, capacity to inspire team mates, and endurance, which you would expect to find in a considered piece. Third, it’s ignorant. Some of the game’s finest midfielders have been comparatively slow yet succeeded due to other positive attributes such as ability to win a contest and release a team mate. And it’s inaccurate. Viney simply isn’t that slow. In full flight he is a steam train. No, this isn’t just an opinion. It’s an amateurish grab for attention based on sweeping and unsupported statements. It’s the work of a try-hard. Let me also point out that his article appears with the word ‘Expert’ next to the writer’s name. Dear me. No, no number of limp-wristed platitudes like “everyone’s entitled to an opinion” or “we all make mistakes” can make up for the fact that this bloke has tried to promote himself by making an inaccurate assault on someone else’s standing. Because it’s ignorant and wrong and ill-timed and ill-considered he warrants the clown stamp. I hereby re-dub Cameron Rose a ‘Clown’. He no doubt will continue to call himself an “Expert’.