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Sure they considered him but clearly they didn't believe he was good enough or he would of been picked. Put it this way, Would you swap Patrick for Newton?

12 months ago Lewis Jetta wasn't good enough either. I'd pay Newton out for Patrick in an instant. Give the guy 2 years and who knows? Give Newton 2 years and he would of been out of the AFL for 1 year.

How do you know this or are you just hoping for the best?

Tapscott may be another who can run off half back and kick it 60m straight down Watt's throat

Wrong again. Scully is the next Jack Watts, in that he is the next number 1 pick. Now we have 2 from 2, whilst you have a slow Saints reject who, although 25 has the groins of a 45 year old distance runner. Take your pick, I know who I'd pick, and so does my club.

With Watts, Jurrah, Bate, Fitzpatrick, Morton and the likes of Sylvia, Davey, Trengove, Jetta, Martin involved as well it will be nothing like the Bulldogs.

Half Forward/Forward pocket Re pick 18 As I said I would take a potential game breaker with the ability to turn a game and bring in the crowds as opposed to a big guy with a serious injury under his belt. Let's face it they are both risks, I'd go for Patrick because of the potential upside. I see this pick as a bonus so I'd use it that way. Plus I don't want to see him playing for Essendon.

Well he has the leap, reads the play and finds position really well and has the X factor. What I'm saying is that, if we're going to roll the dice at 18 I'd roll it on Patrick over Gawn.

I'd take Patrick at 18 and Taylor at 34. I know that's out there but 18 really is a bonus pick and if we can get Butcher at 11 I'll be stoked. I want the cousins playing for us. The press alone would sell 2000 memberships and if he came off the upside is right up. Patrick and Jurrah on the half forward line, Imagine that. I'm just not sold on the need for a lumbering giant anymore. So what if Sandilands carves us up we still win and we've been ordinary, says it all really. Ask yourself this. Would you swap a 21 year old Sandilands for Jurrah, I think not!

Forget Ball, it's just not going to happen and we don't want him anyway, slow, can't kick, nowhere near our plans for the future. As you know I'd take Butcher at 11 and I'm sure Barry wouldn't let him past.

Your problem is that like us you follow the football closely. Because of this you know how good we're about to become and how ordinary and desperate your club is already looking. Oh, I'm sure someone has already thanked you, but thanks again for Liam Jurrah. He'll be the icing on the cake when the oldest football club in the world zips past you. The look in Eddie's and Buck's eyes when the lynch mob arrives will be priceless.

I'm not sure what it is you have against Rivers but if he gets a a full preseason in he'll have you eating your words.

No at 34. Hawthorn delisted a player who's only claim to fame is being a tall picked at no. 6 in the draft. Since then both his body and mind have let him and his teammates down. Personally I'm not that into to picking big headed rejects from clubs like Hawthorn. If he's training with us and we're not commiting to him I'll take that as a pretty clear sign of where he sits in the draft order and it's not 34. Is it 50, not if Liam Patrick is still there, I'd much prefer to roll the dice on Jurrah's cousin, but that's just me.

Absolutely, in essence they are new recruits, which on paper looks pretty damn exciting. However I'd say 2010 will be very much a, dare I say it, "week to week' proposition for these guys. They will all spend time playing at Casey and are going to have to work really hard after missing such a chunk of football.

And to think we could of rookie listed him just last year

There is not a chance in Hell that we will pick Luke Ball with a top 20 pick.

He's talking in 3 -5 years, not 2010. As for Ball, forget it, the MFC are not going to pick him with picks 11 or 18, it just won't happen. Footynut is correct in saying Butcher will be gone before pick 11 and DDDC is correct in saying Watts is our only genuine KPF. The club will be gunning for a KPF in this draft, there is no doubt about it. If KPF's are not a priority in this draft then why is Thorp training with us and why do we constantly hear from the club about our need for quality talls?

No, but if they'd had another KPF who couldh've kicked the goals instead of points Hawthorn wouldh've been beat at half time. Don't underestimate the lift in confidence a team gets when their KPF kicks truly. That's all Geelong needed to finish the Hawks in the first half of that game. Then what happened in 08? Butcher is a risk but if you'd been watching him play over the last few year's you'd pick him at 11 in an instant. I have very few doubts about his ability to make it as a KPF, and with Watts and Jurrah that would make us truly great to watch. Don't you just love watching a big bodied player in Red and Blue bust open a pack take the ball and kick a goal. It brings people through the gates and it wins games. Watts is very, very, low risk. Both Watts and Butcher will turn out big bodied players. Don't be fooled by their current weight. You seem to dismiss Butcher so easily. I'll say this. If he is available at pick 11 The MFC will pick him without hesitation.

St Kilda had Raph Clarke, Steve Milne, Farren Ray and a few others who were all found seriously wanting when the heat was applied. Like i said, I want the MFC to be better than Geelong. Butcher at 11

If the Cats had had 1 top line forward able to kick goals when it mattered they'd have won three premeirships in a row. F##k Geelong, I don't want us to be as good as Geelong. I want us to be better, much better. We've got the midfield and runners, give me 2 power forwards who can demolish the opposition. We owe to ourselves and to the future generations of Demon supporters to make the next 12 years something that becomes talked about in the distant future.

Butcher is hands down a bloody good prospect. It wasn't long ago he was touted a top 2 in the draft. He could well turn out the steal of the draft at 11. A forward line boasting 6 of Watts, Jurrah, Butcher, Martin, Maric, Bate, Sylvia, Morton, Wonaeamirri, Petterd, Jetta and Davey is going to be very, very, very good. Sure, anyone of those guys could get injured but it's hardly going to become one dimensional. On potential we've got the team to take this game to another level. Take Scully and Trengove at 1 and 2, but if Butcher's there at 11 we'd be insane not to pick him up.

I thought the same thing earlier in the year. Now I think he could well end up as a mobile second ruckman who can play forward or back as needed. I reckon this is the role the club has in mind and I think he'd be very good at it. I don't think he's going to become what you hope. John Butcher's the bloke we want and I'll keep saying that until he proves me wrong, then I'll be either glad he became a dud at Port or be gutted when we trade him for pick 40 in a weak draft.

In my dreams the following all become stars for the MFC. 1. Scully 2. Trengove 11. Butcher 18. Black 34. Patrick 50. Grimes PSD. Thorp

Our realistic Tall forward options aside from Watts are Miller, Martin and Garland. I will always applaud Miller for his endeavour but is he good enough to help us win a Premeirship? Martin, a chance but will possibly play a role in various positions. Garland, if he plays again he's just not got the size we need to support our other forwards. If our young midfield fulfills it's slated Potential then what I think we need is a big bodied KPF such as Butcher who can either mark the ball and kick the goal or knock over 2 opponents trying, allowing Watts, Jurrah, Bate, Sylvia, Davey and co. to seal the deal. Personally I'm hoping we land Butcher at 11. I think Green Machine makes a good case but I disagree. The lineup we now have would relish a KPF such as Butcher. I also think that in 4 to 5 years time Watts will be a very big lad and teemed with a Butcher and flanked by the likes of Jurrah, Bate, Maric, Wonaemirri, Morton and others would make us nigh on unbeatable. Unleash Hell Demons.

If you add Vice to that I'd be right there. I just don't think he's good enough to be Captain. I don't just mean as a player either. Rousing speeches are one thing but long term leadership is quite another. I'd have Davey ahead of him at the moment.