Redleg

Hawthorn and MFC have been absolutley screwed IMO by this result. There is no way in the world that if Young and Rivers were traded, that you would get anywhere as bad as the clubs received. I understand that it was not meant to be true value, but the Saints got that for Goddard and Port have been given a handout with 2 second round picks for 2 very average players. In our case it seems that a B & F winner of one year ago, who still played most of the games this year is equal to a bloke who played 6 games in the same period . That is an unmitigated joke. Then Rivers is pick 49. As a result we seem to have shot ourselves in the foot, by not trading for Byrnes with our final pick. That at least would have got us another pick about 49. Anyway what is done is done and we need to learn from it. I wonder if it is a message from the AFL to clubs to not worry about losing picks and just pick up FA's.

We appear to be the only club interested and North want him out. Our last pick might be the one on the table.

Doesn't sound great, but that is why we can get him cheap or pass.

He played two games this year. Apparently they want him out of the club badly. If Terry Wallace is right they would take anything, even pick 68 would get the deal done.

This was my post yesterday on the Gysberts thread " I would put it on him to work his arse off to improve his size and fitness and help him gain a yard in speed. We have the people to do it so it is up to him. I would also pair him with another player with the right attitude like Grimes or Trengove or Jones for the whole pre season. " Looks like the Footy Department read Demonland.

So would I. We also have Clark and soon Pederson.

Gee, can you arrange it?

You don't ask you demand like the Pies did. You want Martin, pick 23 is the price.

And a little timid fella at 26.

See thread on AFL FA Compo Manipulation.

Agree. Maybe not really good but at least good.

We now have 6 ruckmen, someone at least has to be traded. We are going to be in an awful dilemna if Grundy is left and Toumpas and Wines are gone at our pick. I would be talking to GWS about trades and at the same time getting the info on who they want so we can trade accordingly. Martin has been mentioned as of interest to GWS.

Pies quoted today's in Herald Sun as not being interested and now a Pie. Who told porkies yesterday?

They have.

Sad to see Riv go. He was a loyal Dee and a good player for us. Wish him the best.

Terry Wallace said North would take anything for him, even 4th or 5th round picks.

I would be shocked if Sellar was delisted. I thought he played pretty well this year and was versatile, playing in a number of positions. He was much better than I thought he would be.

Agree Chippy. I have been saying that for months. Jamar gets tap out and it is a ballup.

While I would be happy to let Gys go for a decent deal, I am warming to the idea of keeping him. He is clearly an accumulator of the ball but lacks in fitness, bulk and speed. Given that other clubs are not banging down our doors to get him, surely the penny is dropping that this may be his last chance to continue his AFL career. I would put it on him to work his arse off to improve his size and fitness and help him gain a yard in speed. We have the people to do it so it is up to him. I would also pair him with another player with the right attitude like Grimes or Trengove or Jones for the whole pre season. This is a great opportunity for Gys to become a good AFL player and if he hasn't got the required attitude he can wave his AFL career goodbye.

We agree on Evans. I really am hopeful for him.

If you could package another player or two and get 13 from GWS that would be great. Otherwise you would go to Saints and hope to get Ray and a pick for Pederson for North.

Agree. But will it happen?

Dale has been earmarked by the club for our last rookie spot as they have kept him under wraps and believe no one else knows about him. He will then be uplifted on the first long term injury. We have arranged a job for him at a wholesale fruiterer in the banana department. Things are looking good.

Would prefer to keep Garland but otherwise I would be thrilled to do that deal. Jamar or Martin and Petterd and even Morton.

MFC site in an article by Matt Burgan says we will remain an active player in trades. Clearly we will be only a minor player at the draft. JV, pick 4 and maybe 1 other will probably see us out on ND draft day.