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INDICATIVE DRAFT ORDER (before the start of the 2020 Trade Period) ROUND ONE 1. Adelaide 2. North Melbourne 3. Sydney 4. Hawthorn 5. Gold Coast 6. Essendon 7. Essendon 8. Carlton 9. Adelaide 10. Greater Western Sydney 11. North Melbourne 12. Fremantle 13. Geelong 14. Western Bulldogs 15. Geelong 16. Collingwood 17. St Kilda 18. Brisbane 19. Brisbane 20. Geelong 21. Richmond ROUND TWO 22. Adelaide 23. Hawthorn 24. Sydney 25. Melbourne 26. Gold Coast 27. North Melbourne 28. Port Adelaide 29. Carlton 30. Greater Western Sydney 31. Fremantle 32. Adelaide 33. West Coast 34. Port Adelaide 35. Richmond 36. Gold Coast 37. Geelong 38. Collingwood 39. Adelaide ROUND THREE 40. Western Bulldogs 41. Collingwood 42. Brisbane 43. Port Adelaide 44. Greater Western Sydney 45. Hawthorn 46. Hawthorn 47. Essendon 48. Hawthorn 49. Adelaide 50. Carlton 51. Greater Western Sydney 52. Melbourne 53. Western Bulldogs 54. West Coast 55. Adelaide 56. Port Adelaide 57. Sydney 58. Port Adelaide 59. West Coast 60. Richmond ROUND FOUR 61. Sydney 62. North Melbourne 63. St Kilda 64. Hawthorn 65. Adelaide 66. Essendon 67. Melbourne 68. Melbourne 69. Brisbane 70. North Melbourne 71. Hawthorn 72. Essendon 73. Greater Western Sydney 74. Collingwood 75. Gold Coast 76. St Kilda 77. Essendon 78. Richmond ROUND FIVE 79. Adelaide 80. North Melbourne 81. Sydney 82. Hawthorn 83. Gold Coast 84. Essendon 85. Brisbane 86. Carlton 87. Greater Western Sydney 88. Melbourne 89. Western Bulldogs 90. West Coast 91. Collingwood 92. St Kilda 93. Brisbane 94. Port Adelaide 95. Geelong 96. Richmond * Fremantle have a third selection in Round Six

Chris Doerre (Knightmare) on 11 underrated AFL Draft prospects 2020 gives some interesting insights on how he assessed potential draftees.

It’s a public holiday and things have been a little quiet today but there’s a lot happening in the background. Essendon and Carlton remain in a stalemate over Adam Saad on the eve of the 2020 trade period. Matt Rendell believes Collingwood is exploring the possibility of bringing in Tom McDonald from Melbourne. Speculation that St Kilda might be calling Adelaide’s bluff (the Crows have yet to match the Saints’ bid). The action should heat up a little bit when the trade period starts tomorrow at 9.00am.

There are a number of aspects of this story that are raising red flags in terms of the question of recruiting Adam Treloar - the financial aspect, his physical and mental wellbeing, his family situation and the atmosphere of intrigue surrounding the whole story which is sending out the message that there’s a lot more to this that meets the eye. So much about this just doesn’t add up and any club that’s not fully informed should steer clear. On top of all that, the situation unfolding at Collingwood with Treloar is turning into an unmitigated disaster for that club. No spin can hide the fact that the Pies have abandoned their war cry of “side by side we stick together” and they have to be concerned about their future, let alone about the precarious position they’ve placed their player in. And where is the AFLPA in all of this?

The Draft Central Power Rankings are out for November ~ Draft Central Power Rankings: November 2020 #1 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country | Key Position Forward 4/04/2002 | 195cm | 90kg #2 Elijah Hollands Murray Bushrangers/Vic County | Forward/Midfielder 25/04/2002 | 188cm | 80kg #3 Logan McDonald Perth/Western Australia | Key Position Forward 4/04/2002 | 196cm | 86kg #4 Denver Grainger-Barras Swan Districts/Western Australia | Key Position Defender 14/04/2002 | 194cm | 78kg #5 Will Phillips Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro | Balanced Midfielder 22/05/2002 | 180cm | 80kg #6 Riley Thilthorpe West Adelaide/South Australia | Ruck/Key Position Forward 7/07/2002 | 201cm | 100kg #7 Tanner Bruhn Geelong Falcons/Vic Country | Inside Midfielder 27/05/2002 | 183cm | 74kg #8 Braeden Campbell Sydney Swans Academy/Allies | Balanced Midfielder/Forward 4/02/2002 | 181cm | 75kg #9 Lachlan Jones WWT Eagles/South Australia | General Defender 9/04/2002 | 186cm | 89kg #10 Zach Reid Gippsland Power/Vic Country | Key Position Defender/Utility 2/03/2002 | 202cm | 83kg #11 Heath Chapman West Perth/Western Australia | Key Position Defender 31/01/2002 | 192cm | 81kg #12 Alex Davies Gold Coast SUNS/Allies | Inside Midfielder 18/03/2002 | 192cm | 85kg #13 Nikolas Cox Northern Knights/Vic Metro | Key Position Utility 15/01/2002 | 200cm | 87kg #14 Nathan O’Driscoll Perth/Western Australia | Balanced Midfielder 17/05/2002 | 187cm | 78kg #15 Kaine Baldwin Glenelg/South Australia | Key Position Forward 30/05/2002 | 193cm | 90kg #16 Oliver Henry Geelong Falcons/Vic Country | Medium Utility 29/07/2002 | 188cm | 77kg #17 Archie Perkins Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro | Forward/Midfielder 26/03/2002 | 188cm | 79kg #18 Reef McInnes Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro | Inside Midfielder 12/12/2002 | 193cm | 86kg #19 Caleb Poulter WWT Eagles/South Australia | Midfielder/Forward 12/10/2002 | 192cm | 79kg #20 Errol Gulden Sydney Swans Academy/Allies | Small Forward/Midfielder 18/07/2002 | 175cm | 75kg #21 Tom Powell Sturt/South Australia | Midfielder 2/03/2002 | 183cm | 74kg #22 Finlay Macrae Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro | Balanced Midfielder 13/03/2002 | 186cm | 78kg #23 Jack Carroll East Fremantle/Western Australia | Midfielder/Defender 20/12/2002 | 187cm | 76kg #24 Brayden Cook South Adelaide/South Australia | Wing/Forward 18/07/2002 | 189cm | 82kg #25 Zane Trew Swan Districts/Western Australia | Inside Midfielder 26/04/2002 | 185cm | 80kg #26 Joel Jeffrey NT Thunder/Gold Coast SUNS/Allies | Key Position Utility 12/03/2002 | 192cm | 80kg #27 Bailey Laurie Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro | Forward/Midfielder 24/03/2002 | 179cm | 78kg #28 Brandon Walker East Fremantle/Western Australia | Half-Back 17/10/2002 | 183cm | 75kg #29 Eddie Ford Western Jets/Vic Metro | Medium Forward/Midfielder 21/06/2002 | 189cm | 83kg #30 Joel Western Claremont/Western Australia | Small Midfielder/Forward 12/10/2002 | 172cm | 68kg

Nominated the Saints so this thread heads off to our main board.

Daily summary ~ Matt Rendell says the Bombers need to pay up for Josh Dunkley. “When you're chasing a bloke that has two years left on their contract, then cough up. Don't stuff around! Cough up" "Ben Brown has chosen Melbourne. The Dees have met with him, done a medical, and he will request the trade" - Sam Edmund Jesse Hogan has officially requested a trade to the Giants. The Dockers will clear him. Geelong a little surprised the Giants matched the Jeremy Cameron offer. The Treloar saga continues. Nathan Buckley responded to Sam Edmund's report that the coach informed Adam Treloar senior players don't want him to return to the club. St Kilda say they won't be trading their first-round pick in any potential trade for Brad Crouch.

Was he banned from Twitter because of that thing way past in his history or something more recent? Asking for a friend.

The highlight of the return game was Demon Graham Gaunt kicking the ball the wrong way which resulted in a Footscray goal. It was the turning point of the game and caused one supporter to blow up in an abusive tired directed at Barassi in the coaches box. High drama.

Naturally - once you decide on a player, it’s all a negotiation.

Is there any indication from a reputable source suggesting we have an interest in Phillips at this stage of the game?

There would be half a dozen teams that would gladly take TMac off our hands. I have no doubt of that. Different story with OMac who I think could be part of a trade or, as his manager suggested, a delisted free agent. There are roles he could fill at the right club.

I think the late Bluey had a lot more talent and grunt than Oskar has displayed and by the way, he played in 6 premierships. Still, I would be happy to see Oskar do half of that in the coming years.

It’s a no brainer here. They should match.

The GWS Giants have informed Geelong that they will match the free agency offer for Jeremy Cameron.

Late News - Bombers get National Draft Pick # 7 for Daniher. They should be doing cartwheels.

Going to Port Adelaide so we’re moving this across to our general board.

Yes - we don’t shut them but move them across to the main Demonland board.

As expected on the first day of the 2020 Free Agency Period saw plenty of activity - * The first completed deal saw Rory Atkins join the Suns as an unrestricted free agent. Atkins will sign a four-year deal with a trigger for a fifth at Gold Coast. The Crows will receive an end of second round pick for Atkins * Hawthorn's triple premiership wingman Isaac Smith will join Geelong as a free agent The Hawks receive Round 3 compensation selection, currently 42. * Carlton lodging the paperwork for the Giants' Zac Williams. The transfer will be finalised within days. * Richmond defender Oleg Markov has requested a trade away from the Tigers to the Suns. * Giants' defender Aidan Corr has officially received an offer to join North Melbourne as a restricted free agent. The 26-year-old will return home to Victoria and sign a deal worth as long as five years. GWS will receive a second-round compensation pick. * Mitch Cleary reports - "A lot of the Ben Brown meeting with Melbourne was centered around Darren Burgess and what he can do for his fitness". Essendon the only other suitor for Brown's signature. * GWS Giants have confirmed Zac Langdon's decision to join West Coast * Sam Edmund advocates that the Giants should take the risk on Jesse Hogan. * Lots happening behind the scenes at Collingwood. There seems to be little hope of reconciliation between Adam Treloar and the Pies while Jaidyn Stephenson looks like playing elsewhere in 2021. * The AFL has received paperwork for Essendon’s Restricted Free Agent Joe Daniher to sign with the Brisbane Lions and is currently processing the details.

I’m grateful to Isaac Smith for moving across to Geelong where I’m sure that he’ll have an impact in 2021 and possibly in 2022. It was that third year of the contract he might have entered into with Melbourne that had me concerned and Smith’s own decision to go with 2 years confirmed that he has his own doubts. That makes it a win/win for all concerned. Expect more big news from the Cats when the results of the Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety are handed down in February/March next year.

So the real thing starts tomorrow with the start of the free agency period and the question is what will be the first done deal? Past years ~ 2017: Jackson Trengove joins Western Bulldogs (Friday) 2018: Reece Conca joins Fremantle (Friday) 2019: Gold Coast’s offer for RFA Brandon Ellis (Friday) The first trades in those years were ~ 2017: Jake Lever’s move from Adelaide to Melbourne (Thursday) 2018: Lincoln McCarthy’s move from Geelong to Brisbane (Monday) 2019: Tim Kelly’s move from Geelong to West Coast (Wednesday)

Strangely enough, a lot of AFL Trade Radio over the past few days has been about things other than trades. For instance, the big news seems to be that Essendon's football boss Dan Richardson has been shown the door after three years in the role. There is talk of Allir Allir’s mooted move to Port Adelaide and the Treloar story continues to garner discussion. On Isaac Smith, I wouldn’t be devastated if he decided to go to Geelong or remain a Hawk. He’s 32 years old and you would expect him to have slowed down in the third year of that contract.

"Clayton Oliver doesn't need to have 30 touches a game. He needs to be tough, he needs to score, and he can do that with 20 touches. At the moment Melbourne look like a selfish midfield but they have the potential to be great." - Kane Cornes

"Sam Weideman needs to have the toughest pre-season of his life. Toughen up, Sam. You have all the talent in the world, but you need to get stronger and harder." - Matthew Lloyd