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Why would Dees fans want to agree with them?

Football issue, not board issue. No need to hear from management about how they’re going to get our contest and defence going again..

Don’t agree. We dominated 21 from start to finish and smashed each 3 finals. Go tell a pies fan I reckon there’s an * next to their flag last year as the umpires got them past GWS and our goal kicking got them past us - pretty sure they won’t cop that

Wouldn’t be surprised if he reheats the same Dees article he writes every month or so again this week

Come on now, are we at the stage where we’re blaming the little leaguers?

If it was indeed 2 first round picks, Adelaide had 8 & 21 - those players have played a combined 2 games - not much impact. You’re not getting Harley Reid with those picks either, maybe 6, 8 & 13 but even then the eagles probably say no.. they didn’t want Norfs picks. No one on the trade table was anywhere near pick 13 value.

So who would you have picked at 13 that would have immediate impact this year?

Even if it was we will they’re a wait and see for me. Big statements don’t impress me from this lot. I still haven’t forgiven them for hanging Brayshaw’s helmet at the SCG and all touching it as they ran out before kicking 1.6 in the first quarter 🫣 They all quote the Daniher “it’s not what you say it’s what you do”, time to do..

Also did an ACL and then retired so not really on the club “losing” him

Why are you roping Hollands and Bowes in? Hollands went to the blues with his brother and Bowes went to the most favoured of all trade destinations Geelong. Were we ever getting either? No. If we did get Sharp would we be any better? No. He was so good the suns delisted him. People would just be bagging him instead of Billing’s. The A-graders are not A-grade at the moment and that makes everyone look bad. Picking up other fringe players instead of the fringe players we did get wouldn’t change anything. 2nd ruck? We had one and Max didn’t want to or couldn’t play with him. No AFL level ruck is gonna come and play at Casey so we need to make do.

I watched the suns, he wasn’t playing. You still haven’t addressed my point - what are you giving up? It’s easy to say we should’ve got this guy and we should’ve got that guy - with what? What are you paying with?

Sharp who did nothing in 4 years at the Suns? Including 0 games in 2023? Who should we have swapped for him, Trac or Viney? Maybe Lever? It’s impossible to defend our trading because people have imaginary scenarios in their head about it. We were top 4 for 3 years and therefore had minimal draft picks to work with. If you want to do big trades you need to give up something, in hindsight maybe we should’ve put some premiership players up for trade but that would’ve only happened if the club knew we weren’t contending this year and they obviously thought we were still in it.

You can disagree but who would you have got instead? Easy to say we should’ve got better players but who specifically? Hunter, Billing’s, Schache, Hore and Fullerton were all basically free - who else was available for free that makes us better? The problem is our best 3 mids aren’t playing well, guys like Sparrow and Rivers have gone backwards, Lever is out hurt etc. McAdam yes looks like a miss at the moment but swapping our no good depth for other teams no good depth hasn’t made any difference

My point exactly. Lots of people using 20/20 hindsight on drafting and trading but missing critical points. Shafting Gus was never going to happen. Even if it did happen we weren’t keeping Jordon as he had an offer from the swans to play regular game time and was taking it. He would not be a walk up start if he’d stayed given we had Windsor coming in and Billings (yes people may pretend they knew Billings was going to be a dud but that wasn’t clear at the time, we brought him in to play 1s). Grundy, Harmes and Jordon are not why we are where we are now.

Were we going to play Grundy on the wing instead of Gus? If not then not sure he’s relevant to the discussion. Jordon as I said left as a free agent so it wasn’t up to us, whether Gus played again or not.

Do you mean Harmes? Who played 9 games last year.. or do you mean Jordon who we didn’t trade and left as an unrestricted free agent?

You assume incorrectly, we would not have got an extra pick - we would’ve had a free list spot to maybe rookie someone but no extra draft pick. Jordon went as an unrestricted free agent so not sure how we would’ve kept him.

But I don’t know - how would getting rid of him in November have given us a draft pick or something to trade for another mid?

And..? How would we be better placed?

Forgive me if I’m being slow here but what was the obvious decision? Pay out his long contract inside the salary cap? Trade a player being medically assessed for career ending brain injury?

Yeah, he gives me the irrits with the loading talk and is generally more glass half full than I am but people are talking like he’s the reason we got spanked today..

It sounded to me like players aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing and he doesn’t know why they aren’t - makes me think some have dropped their bundle or there’s something else going on. The list hasn’t suddenly got this much worse, there’s some not pulling their weight

The payoff for never belting teams was that we never got belted so always had a good %.. now if we’re getting belted it’s not great. Lever will at least be back in 3 or so but if the rest don’t lift things’ll be too far gone by then

Lol yes, woke is the problem.. incredible analysis

I think that’s answered my questions about whether we were good or not this year, we’re not. Something is either wrong in the rooms or with the game plan. Some players are down on their best and we lost Gus and some depth from last year but it’s fallen off a cliff. No losses like that in a long time where it’s just totally fallen apart. I think the defence has been making the rest look good and now nothing looks good. Should we have extended Goodwin last year? We had to, 3 top 4 finishes in a row including a flag, no way he was getting sacked. And I don’t think sacking him now is the answer, rebuilding the list is the answer. Depth is non-existent. We haven’t been able to top up like the tigers or cats did, we rode it to try and win another flag and it seems like we rode it too long.