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Absolutely http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Peter-Lenton---Player-Manager/3289 Greatest load of [censored] ever spoken.

http://www.bigfooty....ad.php?t=883154 1st round after club =============== GWS (after Crows/Davis for Crouch) Bulldogs (after Dogs/Ward) Melbourne (after Melbourne/Scully) Geelong (after Geelong/Ablett) Mid 1st round after non-finalists ======================== GWS (Geelong/Ablett via Gold Coast for O'Meara) Melbourne (Melbourne/Scully) End of 1st Round ============= Gold Coast (Adelaide/Bock) Gold Coast (Brisbane/Brennan) Brisbane (Brisbane/Rischitelli) * Brisbane (Dogs/Harbrow pick) - pick 30 in 2011 ** North (Hawthorn/Brown) - used in 2010 2nd Round after club ================= Richmond (after Port/Krakoeur) 3rd Round after club ================ West Coast (after Collingwood/Fraser) Bulldogs (after Bulldogs/Reid) Plus 2012 GWS uncontracted player Plus 2012 Free Agency compensation ** Reason for edit - clarification that the Krakouer and Fraser picks are after the original club picks *** Reason for edit - Sam Reid pick allocated

I think we're possibly going to need 8 list vacanciew next year if we add Viney, 2 Compo picks, 2nd 3rd, 4th round in a good draft year and Nicholson and Evans - Green only makes a vacancy if we can promote another vet. It might turn out that we need less because we might trade the Compo picks for a player or even an MD pick. On the other hand we may bring in someone in Free Agency. I'd be thinking about elevation Nicholson and/or Evans this year to ease the pressure.

We only HAVE to delist 2 more. It's Wonna or pick 72/PSD - depends what we think is on offer.

Not interested in Dempster - we have Bail, Bartram and McKenzie. I am interested in Ray, he can play, if he has to take a paycut we could offer him a decent amount and pick him up in the PSD. I wouldn't over-pay and he might be worried he'd end up at GWS.

Bennell Frawley Rivers Garland T.McDonald Tapscott (Strauss when fit) Blease Grimes Trengove Jamar Moloney Bail Sylvia Clark Watts Howe Jurrah Davey I: Martin Jones McKenzie There's quite a few names not in there.

From what I saw at the end of last year Tom McDonald looks very good for KPD - Frawley, McDonald, with Rivers genuine 3rd up and Garland playing that attacking Harry O style that he played at the end of last season looks good to me.

As posted in the other thread I'd definitely play Jamar, Martin and Clark (as permanent tall forward) together - otherwise you don't get enough tall forward. I think that Gawn and Spencer can only replace Jamar in that set because they lack Martin's mobility and Clark's tall forward capability. I think that makes Martin a good retainer - the back-up/threat to him is Fitzpatrick. IMO its Jamar, Gawn and Spencer as 1st ruck alternatives and Martin as 2nd ruck with Clark and Fitzpatrick as forward/ruck if necessary. It's going to get tricky at the end of next year - Jamar is out of contract and 29, Spencer is out of contract and Gawn has a year to run. If we give Jamar 2 years, which he'll deserve then Spencer is very tradeable - I rate him and don't agree with those who don't. We'll need to convince Gawn that succeeding Jamar in 2015 as an acceptable outcome so we can recontract him at the end of 2013 - that could seem a long way away to him at that time - he will no doubt get offers to be 1st ruck elsewhere in 2014.

I'd play Clark permanent forward and rucking Jamar and Martin. The alternative is to ruck Jamar 65% of the time, Clark 35% of the time - you might get an extra 10% Jamar game time forward and an extra 40% Clark game time forward but that only gives you 50% of game time with a long tall option. With all 3 in the side we end up with them all on the ground for a third of the game. This is where Martin provides an advantage with his mobility - Gawn or Spencer can't work in this equation and are alternatives to Jamar IMO.

Clark has been recruited as key forward - they play 90%+ game time. Rucks usually play about 70% game time, that means for at least 30% of the time all 3 are on the ground - with probably 2 of them starting in the forward line. Martin is very mobile so this might not be a problem - we can get a marking target up towards the wing for the long kick out and still have a marking target deep.

Probably a decent player, but do we need more medium forwards?

Yes I'd be very happy with JV in 23 too.

Looking forward to GWS first game v MFC at the MCG - hope it's scheduled this year.

I know it's senseless but I'm into the numbers. Since they hand the numbers over from a significant previous wearer - I think #11 is definitely the go for Clark - the time is ripe. Would love to see JV in #31, just ticks all the boxes for me.

The Bombers are finding themselves in nowhere land with an average list with significant deficiencies. They wont be expecting to finish low enough to get early picks any time soon - the picks they will have are going to be 10+ for the foreseeable future. Free agency may help them snare a good player but he'll be towards the end of his career, they'll struggle to top up on great young talent like Caddy because forcing those players into the draft isn't really an option with other clubs lurking with earlier picks. Let's look on the bright side though, they may get some compo picks for Hurley when he goes to GWS as an uncontracted player next year.

Yes but it's far better than no compo at all. Compo will be linked to contract length and payment at the new club - in those cases I'd expect end of 3rd or 4th round compo - those guys would be on one-year relatively low pay deals, on the other hand if Goddard went next year I'd expect something like Scully compo because he's be on $800K x 4 years. There were problems with the GC and GWS uncontracted player rules and major faults with the U17 draft rules - the U17 should have required player trades only with greater than 3 years service and no on-trading. The uncontracted player was tricky because why is it fairer that Callan Ward should go than Tom Scully? How would you write the FA rules to improve them? I think they look pretty good. The AFL has also changed the vets rule from 2013 forward so that clubs can offer an extra $100K outside the cap to ALL players with 10 years service - this helps clubs retain long-serving players.

It doesn't seem as though they would have wanted another player or another pick - they've got pick 24 and they traded away all their other picks (down to 85) - seems like they wanted a high pick or two. I'd imagine they were asking for both compos for say Caddy and 24 or 26 and we didn't want to go there - that's a deal we wouldn't do for Crouch either. GC ended up trading 26 + an end of 2nd round compo to Richmond for an end of 1st round compo.

Yeah, think you're right there - their first pick at 50?

Think every club has at least one pick before our 1st pick.

Link? It probably hasn't been updated yet. http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124868/default.aspx Has us with 36, 52 and 54

I imagine Nicholson. Evans, Lawrence retained - Newton, Campbell, McNamara and Johnston gone.

Bazza took Tom McDonald at 53 last year in a similarly compromised draft - I'll take 2 more as good as him at 52 and 54 thanks!

Will be interesting to see if we activate both compo picks at the start of next year.

Neeld must be going to give Bate an opportunity in a new role. Maybe Collingwood/he rated Bate from a distance. He's a big body and a line-breaking kick. He's one-sided but I don't think I've ever seen Ben Johnson kick on his right either. We've invested heavily in a long target, maybe Bate is part on the plan to go long.

Essendon was probably screwed - what could they really offer? Pick 18 wasn't enough and if you read between the lines probably one of our compo picks wasn't enough either. GC traded away all their later picks including that pick 26 to Richmond - they appear somehow to be only taking pick 24 - as JT says, I'm not sure how that works - they seem to have their own set of rules.