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That deal is terrible for Collingwood - it rates Howe = Kennedy + Seedsman + 9 pick downgrade If we REALLY want pick 3 and rate Kennedy then Melbourne In: Pick 3, Kennedy Out: Howe, Pick 6, Pick 25 Gold Coast In: Pick 6, Seedsman, Pick 25 Out: Pick 3, Pick 35 Collingwood In: Howe, Pick 35 Out: Kennedy, Seedsman, But it sounds like Seedsman wants to go to Adelaide not GC - no-one wants to go to GC!

It's the Saints who on-trade Essendon's 2nd rounder to Collingwood for Freeman - Essendon only need one 2nd rounder to make this happen. Freeman wants to go to the Saints. How hard is it? 5 for Carlisle and Essendon's 2nd rounder Essendon's 2nd rounder to Collingwood for Freeman That's Carlisle and Freeman for 5, surely that's fair all around?

Frankly I don't get the Carlisle stand off What's so hard about: 5 for Carlisle and Essendon's 2nd rounder Essendon's 2nd rounder to Collingwood for Freeman That's Carlisle and Freeman for 5, surely that's fair all around?

Maybe tie the change to their % of revenue request

I agree that's the problem. They get something decent in return though. Look I still think some players would get to where they want Luke Ball style.

They get UFA after every contract and more favourable mandated contract lengths. The price they pay is that they have to go where they are drafted.

I know many, including me love this time of year and the Dangerfield move seems to suggest the current scheme is working, so maybe if it aint broke ... The AFL could simplify the process a lot and promote player retention and equalisation, while giving something significant to the AFLPA. Here's a radical idea: Get rid of the trade completely All player movement is via a single draft only, using current draft order rules Players are unrestricted free agents at the end of any contract, they can re-sign or go in the draft Players drafted in R1 get minimum 4 year contract, R2 get minimum 3 year contract, R3+ get minimum 2 year contract Players can put an annual Contract price on their head, if <$400k then minimum 2 year contract, if 400k-800k then minimum 3 year contract, if > 800k then minimum 4 year contract (this stops players putting 1.5M x 2 years to get to the club of their choice and then discount later years) Minimum contract length is the maximum of the two values above, i.e. Draft Round or Contract price Player cannot be re-drafted by the club he has left No rookie list

Realistic outcome: Howe = Melksham Toumpas = B.Kennedy Grimes = Bugg Watts = 2nd rounder giving us 4 picks inside 43

Defantasyland: Howe for pick 10 (via Charlie Dixon trade) from GC Melksham is worth our 3rd rounder 43 These players are roughly equal value. Meanwhile deals are getting done ...

Yeah and about 70kg wringing wet. Well he's actually listed as 89kg - so I'll definitely give you him.

Petracca hasn't played an AFL game, Trengove is unlikely to play again IMO, and Watts isn't a mid and probably won't be at the club next year anyway. Our current 3 best mids are Vince, Viney, Jones - all smallish.

Lewis, Hodge, Burgoyne all 185+. Yeah Mitchell is 179 but even he's 4cm taller than Prestia.

Prestia is a very good player. I like Ben Kennedy too and the Pies supporters I know rate him. But they're both dwarves and we lack size in our midfield already.

You mean we're getting another Gus Brayshaw?

The earth is round(ish). And our 2nd round is currently 25 because GC has an end of 1st compo pick at 19 so currently that upgrade deal would be 25 > 16 http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-04/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

Yeah but who invented the back door? Cue Benny Hill theme.

Hawthorn still win the flag IMO. They defeat Adelaide, then Freo in WA and then West Coast on the MCG in the GF. Even if they make the GF, Freo can't win it - 6/10 goals from Ballantyne and Walters on the weekend - the GF is a small forwards' graveyard.

I think $s talk - I'd be disappointed if we aren't offering Patrick Dangerfield $1M+ x 7 years. The Cats won't come near that and it will give Adelaide pause to think to match it.

Ruckmen can be over-rated: 2014 Hawks: Hale/McEvoy 2013 Hawks: Bailey/Hale 2012 Swans: Mumford/Pyke 2011 Cats: Ottens/West 2010 Pies: Jolly/L.Brown

Every thread has to be about Jack Watts?

I can't see how Pedersen is a meaningful 2nd ruck upgrade over Dawes vs Sandilands and Clarke, if you want that it's gotta be Spencer - but I struggle with Jamar and Spencer in the 22. I'd go with Jordie in defence and ruck Dawes again.

Agree, stick with Dawes as 2nd ruck - we're much more balanced with that set-up.

There's no doubt that Jack's skill makes us a better team but there is definitely an issue with his appetite for the contest. Brad Green made significant improvement in this area and made some kamikaze plays in his latter years. I think Jack's trajectory would benefit from him being solidly cleaned up one day.

Reminds me a bit of Kevin Dyson's arrival - a few years of maturity, big body, big kick