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The interest is in the unknown. We know who will be 1 and 2. We don't know who will be 11, 18, and 34. I am well aware that KPFs take longer, and their talent is harder to gauge (which is how Tippett made it to 32), but I don't see how a tall at Pick 11 having the impact we want a Pick 11 to have unless he is as talented as Watts and Jurrah. If the best player at 11 is a KPF, by all means take him, but if he isn't, the odds are against that tall having a positive impact on our flag tilt, as opposed to another mid who we can always do with. Especially that early in the draft.

Yeah, it's a strong attitude. Bluffing being an unprovable variable, I would say that we are seriously considering doing what is best for the MFC. And that is not listening to a misguided, guileless, old Xaverian. That's advice a few on this board should heed...

In terms of age, or in terms of money? We could fit them both in the cap easily.

I think you're being facetious but one point of fact - Hunt referred to Leon Davis as being 'as black as a dog's guts.' I believe that to be a mildly racist comment... And a majorly stupid comment.

I will run through a few arguments for going for a KPF at 11. "We need a tall, deep target to take the pressure off Jurrah and Watts" Now this the argument for a big lump in the square crashing packs, provide a 'release target,' and kicking the odd bag. Can Jamar do that? Can Martin do that? Can you afford to carry a player like that who doesn't have another role (ie ruckman)? Does Black have the physique for that? Does Talia? "We need a big body to make Jurrah a 3rd tall so he can do more damage" Just because you want him to be the '3rd tall' doesn't mean he will get the '3rd best defender' or that our midfielders will kick it to him any less. As I said before, if Pick 11 is going to make Jurrah a '3rd tall' - he better be effing good! Is there someone that good in the draft? Is Black THAT good? Is Talia THAT good? These are the thoughts I want BP to go through - he has to select, not the best tall at that stage of the draft, but a tall who would have as much potential as Watts and Jurrah. "We need depth in our talls in case Watts, Jurrah, or Bate get injured" You can't replace your best players. Mitch Thorp was recruited as depth for Roughhead and Franklin - how did that work out? Recruiting for depth in the first round? You can argue that you're not sold on Watts, Jurrah, and Bate and that another talented forward will be needed if they don't come on but that's an argument I would love to have.

This was a poll to get to a very particular point. Of course it isn't a helpful poll, but I wished to nip a particular point of view in the bud before it became a relevant discussion point. POLL ANALYSIS Joel MacDonald, according to Land posters, plays a position/role completely different to Jared Rivers. Jared Rivers is not threatened by the recruitment of Joel MacDonald. That is all.

But if said player isn't good enough to attract the ball from mids who will look up and see Jurrah and Watts, what's the point?

I see him as a decade long FF that could reliably kick 2 to 3 every week and the occasional bag. I see him as a 60 to 70 goalkicker. His talents would be wasted in the midfield. The opposition would love to have him that far away from the goals.

I just wanted to discuss a irritation that I, and others (notably 45HG16), see from time to time. The irritation surrounds the idea that some seem to be overlooking a particular issue when it comes to drafting a KPF at Pick 11 or Pick 18, or both. The issue is that we should not look to get the best KP player at 11 or 18 unless we can see that player being able to command a decent amount of football in a forward line containing Watts, Jurrah, and Bate. What I am saying is that unless this player is as good as those three then they won't play a role equal to what we have invested - Picks 11 or 18, but particularly 11. I don't see Bate as a deep forward player, but Jurrah certainly will be (indeed, he will be our focal point starting 2010), and Watts will play a role in between Jurrah and Bate (switching from deep to outside 50). So, Jurrah will be the 'Number 1 Forward' and Watts 'Number 2 Forward' or vice-versa (That is my opinion, which can change if a compelling case is made). So do we spend Pick 11 on a 'Number 3 Forward' (at best considering the rate Bate is coming on), or do we simply forget about this 'need' and pick whichever player we rate as the 11th best kid in the draft?

You might be reading between the lines... But it's an important discussion never-the-less.

That, or Joel.

You know what? You make a lot of sense, I guess they do play different roles. Completely different. But I'll let the people decide.

Given my fondness for polls and the, apparent, imminent arrival of Joel MacDonald I wanted to look at where this player would find himself in our 22 and whether, all things considered (injuries), he is in the best 22.

Why does this have to be zero-sum? We get the world's attention for a month, we get thrown around to a few odd places for 8 weeks. Could be our chance to get Casey as a 25000 capacity stadium to play GC17, PA, WS, and Freo and make some money.

What are you people doing? Waste. Of. Time.

You know it's disappointing when someone shows a lot of promise and then has setbacks that see them being superceded by newcomers that play in a similar, if not identical, manner. But I am not ready to give up yet. I think that redemption is at hand and that this cheap alternative will not push the old pro out of the side. All this person needs is some time to get his mind right and he will come back in better shape than he has been in recently, which, needless to say, has been very average. So, I say we keep BB59. He'll turn it around soon... Otherwise he's headed for 'the list,' and irrelevancy. You cannot insult your way to convincing those around you of your argument.

The spotlight will be shared. Watts is going to get attention and he has to deal with it. The more interviews he does and the more exposure he gets the quicker he will get used to it.

Let's do it then. Steven Armstrong is Premiership player. Conclusion - Anyone can be a Premiership player... Anyone...

My, you can be tiresome. Too many glib remarks and patronising asides. Rivers plays in the backline as a loose man, who, if under the pump, can play on a KPF. MacDonald is 2 inches shorter than Rivers, and while he has filled 'the hole' for Brisbane in the past, he spent most of his career as a running HBF. Much in the style of what Bruce did last year, or what Grimes did. Not what Jared Rivers did. Thanks for the humour... Rivers BP and MacDonald HBF with Grimes pushed into the midfield. Rivers Frawley McDonald Bruce Warnock MacDonald Garland rotating through. No-one appreciates the dismissiveness BB59...

Whenever I see a write up like this from years ago I think 'OK, this is one they got wrong. Because I believe my lying eyes more than a 6 year old write up of 18 year old who hasn't come on as a footy player.' Others don't see it like that, though. And that's OK.

Without reading this thread I just want to say that I do not want McPhee because he is ugly, and doesn't seem to be a nice person. In fact, I would say I hated him for those things. Or... He is too old and slow and Rivers already does his job better. But, whatever...

I would prefer MacDonald play with Junior and Bruce in the backline and push Grimes into the midfield. I'm not sure who would move out of the 22 though. Availability is the great unknown and, as always, will play a role.

Do you care about them? That's a schizophrenic post if you don't.

Ah really? My last post went over a few heads so you're not alone...

There are a few on here copying my mannerism, or postisms, or wordisms, or whatever. It's an honour. But stop it.