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Assuming that the first 5 picked for the forward line are Bate, Sylvia, Jurrah, Green, and Wonaeamirri (as I believe we could almost all agree on) - who would be the last two 'forward players' to make the 22? I'm also taking out Morton, Martin, and Davey as variables as they will be in the 22 but not, most likely, as 'forward players' per se. I am also removing Dunn and Newton because I have made a judgement call that they would not get a look in. And I am well aware that Pick 11 may change things, I am also aware that it may not. I am more than willing to alter the poll if sane reasons present themselves. I understand we are going over ground already covered - I am just keen to see the level of desire for Miller as opposed to Watts, or the desire for both. Or neither...

Lovely. And from a moderator, no less. Just get back to talking about the draw. I hope we play on the weekends!

There is only one person with the power to reverse curse, and it isn't CB... There is no emoticon to describe the talents of Liam Jurrah. He's a very good football player.

The fact that Molan was struck by injuries is beside the point. The fact is, in a 'Superdraft,' we decided to draft for needs and we got it horribly wrong. Old is, as usual, right.

So I was right? Numbnuts?! You just made the list DemonDan.

Ablett didn't start out as a mid. To bring it closer to home: neither did Davey. I would be disappointed if we couldn't turn at least two of those three into consistent mids. My great hope for Maric is for him to become an inside/outside midfielder with elite delivery. Wonaeamirri has a very effective kick and is a solid body, and Bennell has the vision, pace, and skills to play on a wing. Those midfield options you point out are for 2010, yes? Why so short sighted? While we are rebuilding the players that will get more midfield minutes are Scully, Trengove, Petterd, Davey, Moloney, Morton, Jones, Blease, and Grimes. Maric and Bennell would be the next players I would look at for minutes in the middle. An argument could be made for those two to be placed ahead of Blease and Petterd. Macca, Bruce, and Green will play periphery roles. Dunn isn't 'the right' player to put games into, Ball hasn't committed yet, and Sylvia will play a high HFF. I see Wonaeamirri mirroring Sylvia's role. If that means a midfield role then so be it, but to me Sylvia plays a HFF that drifts toward the centre. In conclusion, HBFs and HFFs often graduate to become very good midfielders.

This discussion is going on in another thread, and I can understand why. It's a strange industry and the numerous list lodgements mean that there are a few periods where clubs re-evaluate and move people on, or give contracts. We may be waiting for Ball to commit one way or another before moving on one of our uncontracted. But I am certain that there will be players on Nov 1 unsure whether their club will give them a contract.

This is where we come back to an AFL conract being different from a 'real world' contract. Restraint of trade? Yeah, but the alternative has its own problems.

I think if we wait that long to give a contract, they may walk. If it was my decision I would be thinking whether Pick 34, in this compromised draft, would be worth more than Batram. And, all things considered, it's a hard decision but I would politely move on Clint and take a kid who can kick at 34. I guess we will know soon enough...

I'm not certain how old fashioned night football is... It's all a bit moot for me as I will be as of 2010 a Victorian living in another state. I know you're supposed to say ex-Victorian, but I just can't bring myself to say that... I tell you one thing though: I'll be at the G for Trengove's and Scully's first game. Even if its a $250 Qantas peak hour ripoff. (Please excuse the apostrophes if they are misplaced - it's the one thing I can never get a hang of.)

No you don't. It's a good instinct. Language is language.

That's the kind of forward thinking that sees Luke Molan play his 150th early next year as the FF for the MFC.

All contracts expire at the end of October. St Kilda still has the opportunity to re-sign him in November. CC is right to paint a "MFC or STKFC" picture. It is stating the bleeding obvious, but sometimes all of us need someone to tell it to us. And Ball has had his career go through some tumultuous twists and culdesacs of late; there is nothing malicious about the time it has taken to meet with us. This is just another example of our ingrained MFC patheticness that we are attributing a holiday taken by a player as a sign of disrespect and malevolence.

The article linked by DD is pleasing in really only one aspect and that is the tack that CC has gone with - basically what a few of us have already intimated - it's St Kilda or Melbourne. Re-sign or come to the place that you know you can get to - the Demons. Good luck to the boys next week.

It's both. And the former is severely affected by the latter.

If there is another Jurrah out there - would he last to the PSD? In terms of marketing the club - Scully and Trengove will do that. Or whomever we pick at 1 and 2. The $500k salary cap gap is a problem mitigated by Ball but is merely a bonus. To get Luke Ball for very little in the PSD would be coup for the club, and and incredibly good investment. In my mind it is St Kilda or Melbourne - I have no inside knowledge, only my interpretation of the circumstances and the options available to Luke.

I'm not going to be cruel like a few have but Newton just isn't good enough to play AFL. If he is getting a bigger frame then well done to him - he is now doing the minimum required of tall prospect, something he should have done around 2 pre-seasons ago.

Covered this. Odd mood in the off-season. Apologies.

...because it takes a long time to get ready? Or because it soaks up alot of hard earned? Or because it wears bloody strange things on top around Spring Carnival time? Yeah, I know, I'm such a guy.

This is pretty much where my head is at but don't forget Ricky Petterd, arguably the most versatile player next to Bruce. Will look to be on a HFF or a wing.

I think Bruce and Macca will do what they did in the last half of the season and play of a HBF and a BP respectively. Garland would struggle to be up for Rd 1 in the AFL. Scully and Trengove would be ready to go I would think. Strauss, Blease, Maric, and Wonaeamirri should push too. I would love to see Watts play wing/HFF for 16+ rounds next year. Bruce, McDonald, Frawley, Warnock, Rivers, Bennell, and Grimes to be the 7 in defence. Davey, Moloney, Jones, Scully, Trengove, Jamar, Martin, Sylvia, and Morton to be the 9 to run through the middle. Bate, Watts, Wonaeamirri, Green, Jurrah, and Miller to be the 6 in attack. Injured players replaced by Petterd, Maric, Cheney, Jetta, Spencer, McNamara, and Strauss.

Thank god, some sense. Moderators close this thread.

If he goes into the ND he would be taking some bad advice from whoever is whispering in his ear. The way it is, is the way it is. He should, and those around him should also, come to terms with the fact that he is going to play for Melbourne or St Kilda. Sydney at 14, PA at 16, MFC at 18 (although unlikely) and we haven't even got to the 20's yet...

Let's try this for the last time, because I want to give you a chance to redeem yourself. 25 to 33 percent of those normally picked are ineligible, HO7. If there are 75 kids picked in a normal draft 19 to 25 of them would be from the 4 month block that is now exclusive to the 2010 draft. That means that the 50th pick is akin to approx. the 75th pick (and I am so very sorry to have used language that suggested my assertion '34 = 50' was based in anything other than a mathematical approximation - Pick Number x 1.5). Looking at one of our picks (that is easier for me to do my rudimentary mathematical equation) - Pick 18 - we would have approx. 6 - 9 players ineligible that would be picked before the player picked at 18 if there was a normal 12 month block. Therefore, that pick is approx. worth Pick 24 to Pick 27 relatively to talent in other years. This really is not that difficult to get your ahead around is it, HO7?

St Kilda coax him back?