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It's obvious that Dayne Beams needs a change of environment and Nathan Buckley and Collingwood shouldn't stand in the way of that need...

As soon as he picks one club, your 'good news' becomes irrelevant. He could walk in the draft and get to Pick 50 at that club. We have zero bargaining power, the only way we get anything of worth is if the AFL lent heavily on the receiving club. And, usually in the AFL, the leaning is the other way around...

Again, no need for such a thin skin. You are walking amongst Dees fans wary of life in general - a few raised eyebrows and eyeballs is nothing.

Don't be so thin-skinned. Demonland is like a pub run only for Dees fans - you can't just throw out coy allusions while everyone is listening and not expect a few 'pffts'...

This is an instance where the only two parties that should matter is Adelaide and Melbourne. We should offer Pick 3 and Adelaide would accept as Danger is destined to go for a worse pick next year. We would trade for him on the last year of his contract and try to convince him to stay beyond 2015. The player should not be allowed to stop a trade unless he has a clause built into his contract to do so.

He hasn't even agreed to come. If I were him, I would be going to NM and trying to do some damage off their half back flank. And Clark's worth is less than HL's I know that - the guy is crocked. But Clark is a much better player, and a huge investment. The situation stinks.

The PSD was losing its power when Luke Ball nominated for the National Draft to get to Coillingwood, and it was made more irrelevant with the introduction of Free Agency and Delisted Free Agency. The only players now that would come through the PSD are out of contract players under 25 who have been instructed not to nominate for the National Draft (that would be code for players that don't have an agreement with a club to pick them up and are therefore can not be in high demand. The PSD is the last roll of the dice for experienced NQR players to get on a Primary List before they opt for the salvage scrapheap of the antiquated 'Rookie' Draft.

The truth about whether we want Clark is probably somewhere in the middle of our opinions; we would like to keep him as he has little trade value, but on a small base payment and possibly on the rookie list. We wanted spare cash to throw at Dangerfield and other premier mids and having $800k tied up in a crocked CHF was not helping. Roos would want more investment in the midfield and Clark's intentions don't fit well into that.

What now?

Aiming is done by those with a weapon. Roos is the one doing the aiming, and he doesn't have many weapons...

If Danger costs 3 and Toumpas, then the cost would be Frawley and Toumpas. I would do that trade very quickly. Dropping down from 2 to 10 would be a pill but one I might swallow if there were more clubs in the race for him. If Roos and Viney are 'letting Frawley go' - it would be similar to the Clark situation - and I can fully understand. Hogan, Dawes, and Pedersen/Gawn can make a functioning forward line. McDonald, Dunn, and Garland can defend tall players of varying capability. Spinning Frawley and Clark into midfield assets would be my guiding star if I was Roos and co. this October.

Our record is irrelevant to the Clark case. The guy is perennially crocked. Clubs look at him and see a potential bargain with, as another poster said - a low risk, high reward scenario. That 'low risk' is the pitiful pick or player exchange we will receive if we deal with clubs interested in Clark. How the AFL can assume we will be able to trade Clark for anything more than peanuts is beyond me. Don't expect the club to work miracles with a Clark deal. We are holding precisely zero cards in this mess. Our only card was given up in an act of acute mercy that has become a source of abject misery. We are but beggars to our own demise at times.

This is probably in the wrong thread but: Haw - Picks 1, 2, 7, 12, 36, Rookie. Syd - 5, 5, 30, Traded for 39, 40, Rookie Fre - 4, 8, 19, 20, Rookie, Rookie Gee - 3, 7, 17, 24, 40, (F/S) NM - 2, 13, 23, 37, 43, 47 Port - 4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13 7 of the 35 applicable were Top 5 selections. 13 of the 35 applicable were Top 10 selections. 20 of the 35 applicable were Top 20 selections. The value is at the pointy end - if you can pick properly - you don't need to be right at the pointy end...

I will ask another question; if you were a prospective club recruiting a bloke who has played 15 games over the last 3 seasons (that's 51 games missed through injury) - what would you give up for him?

The extrapolation above is based on a very small sample. Look at the best 6 clubs and where their best 6 players come from. 36 players - I am interested myself - will look it up when I get home... Not to get ahead of my data there but The Teenage Lottery Draft of the AFL still allows for great talent to slip through...

The irony being Dangerfield was Pick 10...

Hi, my name is rpfc. I go for a small club in the AFL in a league dominated by others who have a more lucrative fixture, an allowance for non-traditional market teams to pay players more money, academies set up for those teams to hoard young talent, and can lure talent in an half-pregnant Free Agency player movement infrastructure. The league has a rule to help teams that have a poor playing list to get better in order to create a better competition with draft picks to be used as investment in the draft or in trades. The larger number of good teams makes the competition more popular and sustainable. The rule was not enforced once again, at the behest of the bigger clubs that don't require that rule at this present moment. I love a club that plays in a compromised, non-competitive league where miracles are required for small clubs to reach deep into the finals, let alone the Grand Final. Glad I could share, because the bigger clubs won't, and the AFL is impotent and misguided.

What do people really think we will get from Collingwood for Clark?

The best teams have great midfields. Deep, strong, multi-faceted midfields, invariably with a dynamic star or two. They can make decent forward lines look good by controlling the ball, and they can allow average defenders to make a great backline by keeping the ball out of there. I know Dangerfield is a dynamic star in Adelaide's midfield right now. I don't know what Pick 2 and Pick 3 will be in 4 years time, when Jones is 30...

Manage Ignore Prefs - go there in your profile and the nonsense goes away. Reply to the nonsense and posters who have the nonsense ignored see it... Anyway, 97%-99%? Would that be an average of 98%? IWUAEHIIUE

Yeah, how dare we ask for the rules to be enforced. You want attitude? Fight to equalise the league. If we are 'on our own' then let's get everyone else 'on their own' - no academies, no COLA, and a fair fixture. When the big clubs benefitted from the draft assistance rules, it was enforced. Now that the don't benefit from it, they are fighting it, they have won, and now we wander out into the future with a list so scarred the AFL hasn't seen it before. Roos has to get Dangerfield, Viney and Taylor have to hit every pick out of the park, and we need a Stretch or a Lovett to give us a leg up. Because the league that we are a part of won't.

Trengove. More upside from where I sit. Slow but a hard footy player. Roos will be able to use him if his foot is ok. Big 'if' though...

Priority Picks have a connotation with being before the draft. Perhaps he wanted to make the AFL aware they could give us a couple of second rounders and Roos could turn those into another two Vince's and we could be less crap, but the AFL is run by the big clubs at the minute so they don't give a flying...

The pr!ck in me wants the AFL to reveal their secret formula so it can never be applied in the future and not for the upcoming issue where a club might be decimated for a year or two... But if the club wants to p!zz themselves and back down like we do with the interstate academies, the COLA, and the fixture then that's fine too... As the old saying goes "If you let them take an inch, then I am sure they will help you out at some point"...

ND2 and ND3 is steep but what else is involved in the deal? We don't know. And what we do know is getting a player like Dangerfield makes us better right away, rather than waiting for a couple of teenagers to deliver in 3-5 years time. He, as was confirmed tonight by the umpires, is one of the premier mids in the game. That is going to cost you, in more ways than one...