Foopy on the telly

I reckon it’s really good that we’re considering 24 disposals and 2 goals to be a ‘quiet game’ for trac. If that’s what we consider average form for him then it goes to show how good he’s actually become.

Gawn has performed poorly in round 1 for the last few years now so it’s not too much of a worry seeing as he’s ended up as AA in the same years. FWIW Grundy was even worse than Gawn last week but look how he went last night.

Fair enough mate. I just reckon a midfield with Petracca and Oliver alone beats Carlton’s complete midfield any day, so why wouldn’t he want to stay at Melbourne since he bears some responsibility for the team’s performances? But I see your point, Oliver could think that he’s the missing piece to Carlton’s midfield puzzle which could take them to finals.

I’m not trying to discredit what other people have heard, but the problem with the Oliver rumours is that it just doesn’t add up. If he’s chasing success, why the hell would he want to go to Carlton? What have they shown that indicates they will be more successful than us? One thing’s for sure, we’ve shown much more than they have.

Scott is a 25 year old mature ager in the Marlion Pickett mould who can make an impact right away. But he’s played one freakin game and already you’re calling him better than sparrow?

yeah, because watching bailey and neeld wasn’t making you miss danners enough ?...

^ so... who’s gonna tell him?

I reckon they’ve made it clear that he won’t play round 1 because they won’t shut up about how they need to take their time and build his fitness back up.

improvement isn’t linear, surely us supporters have learnt that by now also by that logic, you don’t see 17th to 9th as going in the right direction?

you’ve proven about as many people wrong as flags Freo have won

“Don’t bait me please” mate, no one even asked you nor mentioned you. Just because Watts never lived to his potential, doesn’t mean he was completely [censored]. The idea that top draft picks are said to be either stars or spuds (no in-between) is just so stupid.

wow mate, if getting a number slightly wrong is enough to put someone on ignore then i’d hate to see how long your ignore list actually is.

Very true but with many here considering sparrow, rivers, Jackson and Pickett best 22 as it is, we’d be going in way too young.

Gonna assume it was vandenBerg judging by the posts you’ve made about him in the past. Do you know him personally?

Well we already achieved that this year so it’s about taking that leap into finals next year IMO.

And here we have a “blown out of proportion” type nuffie.

^ Here’s our Demonland nuffie for this week, fellas

Epic troll confirmed ?

You can have the best young talent in the world, but if you don’t provide them with the support they need, the nurturing and proper coaching, culture and development (all of which we failed to do), then they likely won’t turn out to be very good. Paul Roos says in his book that the most important stage of a player’s career is their first five development years. This is what Richmond have succeeded at with players like Martin and it’s what Melbourne have failed to do with blokes like Trengove and Watts. And if Scully had stayed at Melbourne the chances are that he probably would have been delisted by now.

It doesn’t matter mate. Any club would have drafted/rated those two players in the top 3 along with Martin. You’ve made those judgements (about Scully being soft and Trengove being slow) after observing them playing at AFL level, which is after they were drafted. I’m saying they were the elite standouts (along with Martin) in their draft year. Go look at the draft prospects from 2009 and you’ll see how highly rated Scully and Trengove were. You’re being a hindsight hero.

You’re missing the point. I’m talking about draft time in 2009, not “2010-11”. All clubs rated Scully and Trengove in the top 2-3 in the draft back then. That’s a fact. Trengove’s career was ruined by injury and Melbourne’s inability to develop players properly (e.g. poor culture, making him captain way too early etc). If we took Martin, he’d either [censored] off to another club after two years or he would be jack watts 2.0, while Trengove goes on to have a potentially much better career at another club.

I know I’ve said this countless times, but this is just pure hindsight. Anyone would’ve had Scully and Trengove in the top three of that draft at the time, they were the standouts. If we’d drafted Martin instead then I dare say we would’ve effectively ruined his career too, with our poor player development.

I’ve noticed that Viney regularly likes Clarry’s posts on Instagram (I know, it’s a bit petty), so I doubt there’s a personal rift between the two FWIW

no one asked

Yeah that’ll be the one