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Footywire has a good set of stats. But only on a web browser, not mobile. Go to Teams, pick Melbourne, and then pick Splits and it breaks all of the key stats down in home, away, wins, losses etc

That's a good analysis. In games we didn't win our accuracy was 46% which is 17th and our inside 50 conversion was 5.44 (18th). If we just went at the average we had for the rest of the season for accuracy and i50 conversions, we would have probably only lost one of those games.

Saw Tomlinson on the video last week in full match sim. If he is playing full match sim I can’t see why he won’t play preseason games and be ready for round 1.

Champion data need to look at stats that make a difference and give them a much, much higher weighting. Disposals and disposal efficiency are stupid measures for the modern game, as chip chip teams like West Coast etc and chip-chip players skew the results. I think Score Involvements should be the highest weighting no matter where you play. All the other stats mean nothing if after you touch the ball your team never scores from the chain. The other important stat for ruck and mid defenders is intercepts, as when your team doesn't have the ball stopping your opponent scoring is kind of important (not according to champion data though). Score involvements and intercepts for max versus the "elite" rucks are below. Max clearly is elite at both offense (ranked 2nd) and defence (ranked 1st by a long way). Nic Nat is clearly a liability at defence (in fact of all AFL rucks he is ranked 35th for intercept marks). Sean Darcy is becoming a gun but still miles behind Max. Sean Darcy - 6.00 and 2.67 per game Max Gawn - 5.48 and 3.56 per game Nic Nat - 5.32 and 1.55 per game Hickey - 4.62 and 2.90 per game Grundy - 4.65 and 2.7 per game For mid size defenders, here are the stats for Salem versus the elite defenders. Salem ranks 1st for intercepts and 4th for score involvements but all the others rank elite and he ranks average. Makes no sense. Salem 3.92 and 6.08 Saad 3.73 and 5.95 Rich 3.88 and 5.92 Hind 4.45 and 5.64 Dale 4.08 and 5.23 Williams 3.64 and 5.21 Daniel 4.08 and 4.48

Did Christian Salem really not rate Elite or Above average? Melbourne's defence, who all rate average or less except for Jake Lever and Stephen May, had the best defensive year of any defence ever. Obviously to be an elite defender you don't need to be able to defend according to Champion Data.

If you look at the infectious disease reports it was more than likely rotavirus. One of the main symptoms is “passing excessive amounts of gas”. I don’t think Scott has fully recovered from it yet.

The comments are funny. This guy should have started supporting Melbourne.

Without that trade we don’t get Sparrow and miss out on the middle part that ended up as this…..

Not related to clearances, but I wonder if Goody and his use of Brayshaw has started to change the way wingman will be used. On afl.com today it mentioned that Mitch Wallace at the dogs is spending all preseason on the wing, which you would assume would be to copy Brayshaw’s role.

Is the AFL Integrity Unit an oxymoron?

Great analysis but surely the strategy is hide Viney all year and unleash him for finals.....

A 3 year extension, which is until end of 2024 is perfectly reasonable. Richmond did the same with Hardwick after 2017 (extended to end 2021). Clarko (after his 2nd flag in 2013) got a 2 year extension. Clarkos post 2013 contract extension Ironically, the more confident the coach is in his own ability and the list, the shorter the contract will be.

It is possible North thought his knee would never be the same again, and for a player who relies on covering extraordinary kms per game, maybe they thought he was done. Either way, they got reasonable picks and picked up Jaidyn Stephenson who will be around for a while with one of the 2 picks they received.

Yes you are right Noble did come later. I think North from the top down decided to do a proper rebuild and made a lot of list changes at the end of 2020 (12 delisted in all with several regulars). If their board sticks with the program they will reap the rewards as the foundations of their list is in good shape.

The myth Ben Brown was a stay at home forward at North is wrong. In his good years he covered more km per game than Gaff, Sculley, and the other elite runners. But North realistically decided to rebuild when Noble came in, and they are getting games into kids. If their board sticks fat with the ups and downs of a rebuild I can see them contending in 4-5 years, by which time BB is probably finished anyway. It was a win-win for both clubs.

But when Dusty played well in 2021 they win. >= 25 disposals 5W - 0L < 25 disposals 0W - 8L Injured during game 1W - 1L (interesting that he was on track for >25 disposals in the win and had 16 when injured, but was shutdown against us). Did not play 2W - 6L My conclusion is Richmond are useless without Dusty or when he doesn’t play well. But who know if he is a symptom or a cause of their poor form.

Very true. And although it’s good that some posters who previously were scathing on Viney now see his value, he was a scapegoat for a lot of posters and some even relatively recent comments were ridiculous. Viney has always given the ball off to others in a better position, but often because of our structures there wasn’t anyone on the outside. He has always had a different approach in the contest to say a younger Oliver who was handball happy. Viney never handballed to no-one so got caught HTB more while the old Oliver often handballed to no one and turned it over. Viney’s approach was always better, and Oliver has adopted it, as defending against holding the ball is a lot easier than defending a handball turnover to an opposition player on the outside. Oliver now bursts out of stoppages and stands up in tackles as well, and occasionally gets caught HTB but who cares. As a team, our stoppages were probably the best by any team ever in the finals, as we sorted the structures and it all clicked. But Viney didn’t change his approach, it’s just the team improved and he had support on the outside to give it off to. Full credit to Yze. So give Viney credit for his unbelievable final series, but posters shouldn’t try and justify their previously ridiculous comments by arguing Viney changed his approach.

Not always. Definition from champion data is Disposal clangers are any kick or handball that directly turns the ball over to the opposition. So I assume includes a point kicked no matter where from, and even Max Gawns kick that led to Spargo’s goal in the GF, as although it was a brilliant kick (50m on left foot to open forward line) it directly led to the dogs possession (even though they were under pressure).

Sam Frost doesn’t even make top 50! The champion data definition is useless. “Disposal clangers are any kick or handball that directly turns the ball over to the opposition. Frees and 50-metre penalties against, No Pressure Errors, Dropped Marks and Debits are all included in clangers.” We all watched Frosty for long enough to know exactly what a clanger is. Yet Champion data decides tearing out of the backline and missing an easy handball to an open teammate that results in a stoppage doesn’t count, yet Tracc bursting out of a centre clearance and kicking a point from 60m does. Go figure.

The dogs need to sort their defence out (and their mids defensive structures). Not sure how the mauling will affect them, but with their flakey defence they will find it extremely difficult to win 3 or 4 finals in a row. One team will get a run on and they just can’t stop it. We were similar in 2018 and I suspect they need to go backwards before improving.

Great review. Signed up and worth the subscription. Great to see Harmes get some recognition for his important defensive work. The dogs would have loved him on their side on gf day. He is much maligned on here at times.

Or maybe the question should be “how many times has a team won after winning their first premiership the year before”. Because we are talking about us going back to back which is a 1 in 5 chance based on the last 25 years, and clearly after we have won 2 in a row the 3rd is easier (1 in 2 chance).

Adelaide’s first was 1997 so that’s 25 seasons. Ironically, it was done only 4x in the prior 25 seasons as well.

Google search AFL Grand Final Christian Salem

No that’s not right although it’s surprisingly rare. I’m pretty sure Hawthorn in 2014 and Richmond in 2017 kept all the premiership starting team on their list. Brisbane in 2001 also. So good omens for us. But it is correct that the same team who played on the day have never played together again.