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Jesus I love Macca.

Gotta love it when there's no injury news on a player who hasn't trained for over two weeks now. Really good stuff.

Slow day Bobby?

Really informative post up until this point. I'm not sure why you feel the need to rebut a 'fact'. And I'm especially not sure why you're using repeat 200's against Petracca as your evidence. Firstly, repeat 200's is not a test for the kind of 'speed' in which Trengove is lacking/is being criticised for. It's merely a form of threshold training. And being paired with Petracca simply means they're at similar levels of that type of training at this point. Petracca's burst pace/acceleration over 10-20 meters would be significantly quicker than Jack's. That is the type of 'speed' in question.

Eleventy-million points awarded.

Whilst I think we'll improve overall next year, I still see our kicking efficiency and lack of really great users being a killer for us during games, especially against the best sides. I still think we're far too hit and miss. It still amazes me that Nathan Jones has really been the only player to go from being an ordinary user of the ball to one of our most reliable users. We need many more to take a similar trajectory including Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Kent etc.

I'm another who has been on one which was run by a company called IDQ who usually take elite sports teams. (Recently they took Melbourne Storm on one so I wonder if it's the same company). I was playing with a struggling A grade amateur side who were perceived to be 'soft' and would 'crumble' under pressure in clutch games. The club decided to forked out thousands of dollars for most senior players to attend. We'd finished about sixth the season just gone. The 'outpost guarding' exercise described by the poster with inside info sounds identical to the one we did. After one and a half days of a variety of the most intense, repetitious and torturous exercise off the back of about 4 hours sleep max, we were given the outpost guarding exercise at about 11 pm at night. Set-up around a circular walking track, players were positioned individually about 100 metres from one another so that you were on your own to guard your area whilst one of the IDQ guys would walk around making a call which you had to respond to when he passed your area. I fell asleep twice during the exercise which went for over an hour and a half and I remember some guys were hallucinating quite seriously when stories were shared after it finished. If it is indeed true that not one MFC player fell asleep during this exercise, I'm gobsmacked. That's amazing. As for whether it was beneficial or not, obviously I can only speak from individual experience and the things that I got out of it were the following: A sense of place within my unit/team which allowed me to feel more comfortable and confident as a 20 year old getting to know senior players as well as senior coaches which has an on-flow effect to feeling more comfortable and confident in yourself at training and in games of footy. For all the new draftees and most young players at our club, that experience alone is of benefit. It also dissolved physical and mental boundaries. Knowing what I'd endured on that camp spurred me on in pre-season running and in games from then on. Of course this is not new for many who have been on pre-season camps, but I hadn't experienced that level of pain ever before. And I'm sure some of the young guys at our club would say the same. As for injuries, we copped a few also. Some serious and that's the risk taken when you attend these camps. I'm sure in and amongst the sore bodies and injuries at the MFC, there will have been a lot of self-development for individuals and bonds would have been formed and further strengthened. And that can only be a good thing. For anyone interested in where we finished the following year: Third last.

Any player competing in the ruck contest other than the ruckmen...

Notice also that the players complaining about the rule change via twitter are from clubs with [censored]-kicker ruckmen and who rely on their third man-er at times. Lolsies.

Huge advantage for us.

I said his conversion rate over his career. 85 goals and 52 behinds. Generally accurate.

I know I don't attend training as often as those two but I did detail my observations of Trenners in a training thread from a few weeks back. My concern is that visibly there is no change to the area that generates acceleration and power (glutes and thighs). He is still too top-heavy and his lower half looks much less developed than the top. So I don't think we'll be seeing any changes to his pace at this stage. Sadly I think his midfield days are numbered such is the quality and depth that we seem to have. I think positionally he needs to be moved around if he's any chance of becoming a regular 22 player. Perhaps a Half Forward permanent role or even Half Back. Competition for spots is becoming pretty hot everywhere however. Injuries and Nab cup form will give us a better idea but on the positive side, we're clearly in a pretty healthy position list-wise if a player of Trengove's talent can't get a gig. He'll never lose that.

Thought it was one of Hans Zimmer or John Williams. Both genius minds. I want the disc @1080p with no buffering interuptions. Santy Clause better bring the goods. Go Dees.

Still true but. He is generally an accurate set-shot. His conversion rate over his two years are the facts. But yeh it sounds odd. Can't wait for Planet Earth II to drop.

Fact: Hogan is generally an accurate set-shot at goal, regardless of his unorthodox action and technique. Fact: Hogan lacks penetration, depth and power to his kicking regardless of what is said by demonland's most avid training watcher. Fact: Both are facts and do not need to be argued. Facts are kewl. Facts.

I've always been a skeptic when it comes to 'athletes' playing league footy. Frosty needs to keep things really simple in regards to disposing of the pill. First and easiest option should always be on the radar for him. I don't mind that he goes for runs and takes opposition on but it's the move after that which becomes most crucial for a players like him. For our backline to really work as a cohesive unit next year, players like Frost need to know that there is no use taking on an opponent only to blaze away aimlessly inside 50. (Unless of course it is needed at that point in the game). Hibberd, Salem, Vince, Lewis. We need to be getting the ball into our best users hands. Thanks for the reports btw.

Not in your wildest dreams will we achieve that next year.

No, I don't think I have. He has been banging on about what Misson and Neeld said when the bloke arrived at the club which was something along the lines of, "give me three pre-seasons and I'll have them up to scratch". And every year since, Satyricon has made mention of it. My point is that what we're seeing today simply cannot be the result of what Misson stated back in 2013 because only eleven players remain on the list from that time. It is nonsensical. The change in training on every level can be attributed to so many things. It is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

11 players are still on the list from our 2013 squad. Eleven. That is less than a third of a primary squad list which doesn't include rookies. Only 7 of those 11 players are best 22 right now. David Misson and Jade Rawlings are the only two coaches that still hold their positions today. We employed an entirely new recruiting team that year as well as a president and CEO by year's end/beginning of 2014. But the difference this year is that Misso's program has worked it's magic over 3 years.... I find that very hard to believe.

To you or I, most, if not all AFL listed players running repeat 400's are not going to look 'underdone'. Regardless, perhaps your info was correct after all. But that's not to say what others have heard isn't true either. Perhaps both are true. Coming into his second year, I don't really mind that this kind of thing has occurred, (if what is being said is true). At least it's early in his career and he now knows there are no shortcuts at this level. Posters are hardly up in arms about it so there's no need to defend him. Brayshaw was having a few too many soft drinks during the season this year, Hogan didn't do enough last pre-season. It happens with young players all the time. Relax big fella.

Agreed. Can only be a funny joke, surely?

It's sweet that you believe everything they tell you. Think about it for a minute. Why would any club official tell you anything different to the information you got if indeed he had come back underdone?

Interesting that your observations are completely different to mine regarding Trengove. When I was at training the other week, It looked as if nothing had changed bodywise and his lower half was still considerably smaller in comparison to his upper half. His body composition at the moment doesn't look like it allows for speed and power. I love Trengove as much as any supporter, but if reports are true that he was asked to take it easy during the off-season and is now being slowly eased into training so to not overload his foot, I find it really difficult to see how and where he will fit into a side that already lacks pace. I was genuinely hoping that last year was a loading year and that he'd come back for this pre-season noticeably stronger in his glutes and slimmer on top. I understand that pre-season has only just begun, but Trenners needed more work than most to give himself the best possible opportunity of playing regular senior footy. Especially now that we have so many one-paced inside mids. Still, I wish him well.

To be fair, I doubt anyone at the club would immediately say to any supporter that 'it's a serious injury' at training. Fingers crossed though ey.

Good. Is still a really important player when at his best. Needs to bring it weekly next year.