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Might want to check yourself. A lot of teams play randoms as 2nd ruck. There have been premierships won with midfielders playing 2nd ruck. Literally anyone tall can play ruck for 20% of the game. None of them will be very good at it, but it's unlikely to be the difference in the game. I don't like the team with Grundy in it, but I don't mind if they give it one last go. Just not sure who it is for. Tmac? Wasn't great but the only established KPF who is fit. Smith? Maybe he moves to sub but he doesn't deserve to and is there on merit. People having different opinions to you doesn't mean they know nothing about football...

It wasn't really our defence that was good against Collingwood. We conceded a score of 60 (arguably more if Elliot kicked normally) off 39 inside 50s. Both of McStay goals were when he was matched up on Rivers, and Rivers was also seemingly on Cameron when he kicked his goal. We were definitely short down back and it detracted from Levers intercept and Rivers rebounding. Both are important to our fortunes and rivers in particular has become important to how we go forward. The score conceded of 60 had more to do with the fact we basically had the ball for the entire last quarter, so they barely scored. If tommo comes in, it's to play on the resting ruck, as May will be on Curnow. Lever will then take a small/midsized which allows him to play his intercepting role (and also get burnt the other way as he is prone to do). I'm not fussed on Chandler or Spargo - take your pick. Either one could light up, either one could have 3 touches again. Jordon is the last man standing for Gus. Tmac and Smith can be the big forwards, with Fritsch the 3rd. That's arguably big enough down there without the need for Grundy or Gawn. I'd like to be able to swing Trac down there too, but then we'd ideally have another mid floating around somewhere. Maybe rivers is that name with Turner taking his spot at half back via sub. On the basis of the above, Grundy doesn't play. Am I wrong?

Guys - I'm angry too but enough. 112 pages is enough. Move on. We may have all the time in the world to revisit this after Friday's result. Weather looks like it should be terrific - we are still one game from a prelim, same as we were last Thursday midday. You never know if we fall away next year, so appreciate it while we're here! Carlton have waited 10 years for the day, like we did in 2018. Let's get back to that energy.

I think he'll be good too. Would still go mckercher. Something about the way he moved and the conviction in his decision making....would be very very pleased if we are able to get him. With Oliver Viney and Trac feeding him ball he'd be ridiculous. Would replace Hunter very quickly too you'd think.

Sparrow does have good moments, more often than not when the team is in need. That's a good attribute to have, but for a starting mid in this league it's not enough. If he's to elevate, he needs to start hitting 25+ disposals consistently. My concern on him is he doesnt seem to have that natural knack for finding it. Jordon does, but he's too vanilla and doesnt have any of Sparrow's weapons. A combination of the two would be ideal...

Presuming we don't get Reid, McKercher has the "player we need" written all over him. Zach Merrett clone, impeccable footskills, carries the ball forward and seems good in congestion too. Will be a star.

Where is this attitude coming from? They beat us fair and square (both in real score, expected score and most key indicators) and have lost one game in 3 months. Why do people think they don't deserve to be here?

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it's really not this simple mate. There is another team that will be hunting the ball and probably executing their kicks better. Being fired up about a tribunal ruling is a short way to emotional exhaustion. It can be used as a factor, but ultimately the team that plays better footy will win. Not the team most fired up.

You said it dazzle. I'm incredulous and stunned and gobsmacked But we have a game to play and an important one at that.

What the actual f? He just kicked the footy and landed how he landed. What the hell is going on? What logical person thinks he would seek out the contact? Why is a hypothetical movement of the victim even a consideration? "Yes, the man was shot in the chest. But he ran away from the shooter - if he'd just stood still the shooter might have missed. Ergo, its his own fault". The victim was playing the game the way it's meant to be played?!?! I am losing my mind over this - what the hell is going on?!?

I think he can learn from and replace Viney. Similiar left foot kick and he's as hard as anyone. Just needs the body to match, but this can come with Viney showing him how to lift.

We'll go after Flynn I think. As I recall we were keen on him in his draft year.

Agreed. The Maynard outrage will go on until at least Thursday via appeal (unless he gets off tomorrow), so the coaches have a real task on their hands to get the team focused on the right things. Carlton will be licking their lips at all of this you'd think. Injured, distracted, hurting, deflated. Terrible preparation to face a team that's lost 1 game in 3 months, just coming off their biggest win in 10 years.

Thanks for the fix! Recommend all listen

Would recommend those struggling with this all to listen to this by the boys at the Dee Brief. Think they did a terrific job on behalf of all dees fans - I certainly found it cathartic. https://twitter.com/The_DeeBrief/status/1701055886683423095?t=ocpknwzeFrSM7FBSkbSS8g&s=19

Those getting Ps and Ns - what are you selecting? Can only seem to get m50 again

? He'd be under no illusions of his place at the club. He has been insurance for the last two of his clubs and it's doubtful he's ever going to be more than that. He'll take his 300k p.a. until someone stops giving it to him ...

Just realised with the Hibberd news that I didn't see him at training. Potentially didn't pull up well, or is the retirement immediate?

As much as the unknown possibility of Turner excited me, I think the right changes would be Grundy and Jordon for JVR and Gus. I'd put Turner as the sub, a little in the Smith mould that he could play back, forward or even as a taller intercepting half back. Could bring him on various game states or for a tiring Hibberd if their small-mid forwards aren't doing much.

It's how I feel about it too. People saying it's a "freak accident" - no, it's not. It's not like a 10 sided marking contest where a stray elbow struck the temple, or even a ground ball where a freak bounce left a player prone, or one of a million other unlucky situations. Let's be real here - players run at the ball carrier in an attempt to smother 100s of times a year. Often from directly front on. Despite this, never before in the history of the game has someone come down from a smother attempt like that. There was nothing unique about this situation at all. The Mitch Duncan comparison in my mind actually helps. Do you know why Duncan was spinning? It's because he watched the ball sail over his head, turning mid air to see it. As you would if you had genuine intent to smother. Maynard didn't even notice the ball flying over his head. Was already pointing everything he had at the head of no.10.

Yes, trained well, good energy stayed out longer signing autographs

Actually forgot one more - Woewodin is a player we should be getting games into asap in my opinion. Not saying he is SF, PF, GF ready (though he won't do any worse than Laurie), but he has a very good in-out skillset and has a lot of upside I think as either a wing or midfielder. Has talents many of our mids don't have. Very smooth mover, hit all of his set shots just about and just has a bit of spunk I reckon

Me too. Let's hope the sports scientists told them not to exert themselves. Smiling and being positive really takes it out of you

Tbh, I found the energy from the players quite lacking. The energy from the crowd and kids was terrific but almost deflated when the players came past. I think they're hurting & their confidence has taken a bit. It was a low energy session overall so perhaps a harsh judgement but it didn't fill me with confidence at all meeting a Carlton team on cloud 9 in full hunter mode. I think they're tired after 3 top 4s in 3 years getting bashed from pillar to post for lately, little reward. The injuries might have killed us I think. The remaining teams seem to have an energy and hunger about them that I don't sense from our group. Of course I hold hope and it was still a fun time, kids loved it and the DJ helped ,but feels a little inevitable to me right now. Like a looming exam you just know you're not prepared for. On the footy itself, a few observations: -I have some faith Turner would do ok up forward even though that's probably illogical. He's a neat set shot, holds the ball all the way down to his foot. It may be an interesting move to tell him to play 'defence' on Weitering. He'd make an OK fist of it I reckon if he played from behind. -Clarry absence very mysterious. Let's hope nothing to see there. -Trac looked a little....green? When he ran out but trained fine. Such a loose set shot, either middles them or sprays them. -AMW struggled with the short hit up kicks in the forward drill. -Ben Brown moved surprisingly well, looked no worse than Tom Mac tbh. -Energy in the midfield group far higher than in the fwd/backs group. Led by Viney. We are lucky to have him. -Fritsch and ANB in good spirits, more interactive with fans than most. -love the way Verrall moves and have a lot of hope for what he could become. -Spargo is a little too negatively demonstrative imo. Does it in games too. Touch of the Hogan's. Probably frustrated with his year I'd imagine. Can't think of much else, any questions shout out will do my best

Asked 4 different players. All ignored the question. Asked BG if he was playing, said " I hope so" Lady next to me mentioned George on the Outers wonderful analysis, so there were at least 2 demonlanders in attendance!