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Hogan might have to sort out his goal-kicking (although Daniher's is worse imo), but he's averaged more goals per game than both Daniher and Wright this season. Was surprised Kent got named, but then compared his stats this season to others named and he actually stacks up pretty well.

If the tigers go the rebuild mode and look to ship out older players would we have any interest in Deledio? Would grimes and our 2nd round pick ~27 get him across?

The players new CBA is set to be finalised at the end of this year, which will likely include a large increase to team salary caps (based off the recent TV rights increase). The current salary cap is approx $10.6m with a salary floor of $10.07m. Although the AFLPA's demands of a fixed percentage of AFL & club revenue is likely to be met, there will be a significant pay rise. At the end of the day the money freed up by Dawes etc. moving on or being on reduced contracts will be a drop in the water compared to the CBA TPP increase.

It made plenty of sense. I asked for an estimate of Salem's trade value. I asked the question that if a club offered up a pick in the late teens, would you do it. I then asked a secondary question, would you let him go as part of a trade for a big fish? You seem to have combined the two questions in to one, ergo, your comprehension was poor. If Salem doesn't compete for a spot with Bugg, Lumumba, Wagner or Melksham who does he compete for a spot against? What role do you think he plays? In 2008 O'keefe was 27, on the trade table and free agency hadn't been introduced. Only 6 trades were done for the year, but his name was frequently mentioned during trade week. Lewis Johnston and Patrick Veszpremi were first round picks, both traded after 2 years in the system. You're right, they didn't bring in any big fish from those trades though.

Trading Salem is not like trading Toumpas, you are correct. The reason I asked what people thought of his trade value was because he is one of the only players on our list who has value and is playing in a position with lots of depth. So, what is his trade value? Anyone want to throw up a response that isn't 'don't trade, best player ever etc.'

Firstly, read my post again, your comprehension of it was poor. Secondly, you might want to have a look back through Sydney's trades: 2008- Ryan O'keefe was on the trade table (only 6 trades done for the year) 2009- Traded out Barry Hall and Darren Jolly 2010- Traded out Patrick Veszpremi 2011- Traded out Lewis Johnston 2012- Traded out Campbell Heath, Matt Spangher, Trent Dennis Lane 2013- Traded out Mumford, Jesse White and Andrejs Everett. Patrick Veszpremi and Lewis Johnston were literally in the same place that Salem is in now. Talented first round picks with a handful of games under their belts and checkered injury histories. If anything the Sydney culture was to trade out players with value to bring in better players or players who better suited their needs.

What's Salem's trade value? He's out of contract next year, so a trade now might be our best chance at getting value for him. He is competing with the likes of Hunt, Melksham, Bugg, Lumumba, Wagner (and Hibberd if we pick him up) for that rotating hbf/ mid spot. You can also add the likes of Vandenburg, Stretch, Harmes, Trengove, M.jones as others who are competing for rotating hbf/ hff/ part time mid roles. While his kicking is an asset, I don't see him as a class above many of those I've listed above and I don't think he's guaranteed a game when he's fit. If a club offered up a pick in the late teens for him, would you do it? Would you be happy to see him go as part of a trade if it nets us a big fish?

I did a bit of analysis on the list the other night looking at who has value that we could trade out - my current opinion of the lists as it stands: Must keep: 2016-Tyson, Mcdonald, Jetta 2017- Hogan, Vince, Weideman, 2018-Petracca, Brayshaw, Gawn, Bugg, 2019-N.Jones, Oliver, Garlett 2020- Viney Trade for the right offer: 2016-Watts, Kent, Frost, O.Mcdonald 2017-Salem, Stretch, Kennedy, Hulett, Vandenberg 2018-Hunt, ANB, Harmes 2019-Melksham Tradeable/ Delisted/ 1-2 year deals: 2016-Dawes, Trengove, Newton, Pedersen, Grimes, M.Jones, Terlich 2017-Dunn, JKH, Spencer, Mitch King, Lumumba* 2018-Garland Obviously this list as subjective and the lines between categories are somewhat muddied. Rules require that we use 3 draft picks in the ND, meaning at least 3 spaces have to be cleared. I don't think there'll be a large turnover. Dunn, Pedersen, Lumumba, M.Jones and Vince are the only players who will be 30 or older next year. Terlich has had his papers stamped and unfortunately it looks that way for Grimes too (=[ hope he's picked up as a delisted FA by someone else), Dawes, Trengove and Pedersen to get 1 year contracts(possibly 2 for Dawes) unless we get offers for them, Newton and M.Jones left to sweat on the number of people we bring in and the depth of the draft.

The reason he's being touted as a mid is he has very good to elite endurance for his size. As Quigley highlights though, his speed, agility and disposal is on par with his brothers and without decent improvement he will just be a taller version of his brother in the midfield.

Harry Mckay at 3, Parish-OIiver-Francis in that order for 7.

1 - how many teams struggling financially are tenants of Etihad? All of the struggling Melbourne teams bar the MFC? Taking ownership of the stadium and re-working their deals to become more profitable would reduce the need to hand them cash. 2 - If he was to do that he would need to know how much revenue/ profit Etihad Stadium makes per year and how much potential there is for that to improve over the next 10 years under AFL ownership (while the price tag may be $200m, they could easily make that back in profit over the period). A detailed understanding of all cash flows and intangible items such as good will would need to be had before you could truly assess the value of the deal.

What are the picks we take the 35th and 39th 'live' players at? eg will the 35th and 39th best 'live' players go at picks 42 and 46 (as in they are the 42nd and 46th best kids in the draft)? It won't be p35 and p39, it will be more like 42/43 and 46/47. It will be the 35th and 39th best players not in academies/ father-son.

Imo the trade period is a b. Disappointed to lose Toumpas before he got a proper crack at it and will miss watching Howe. I expect that melksham and bugg will be best 22. Expecting less from Kennedy than I was from Toumpas - gws/ gc priority access means that the 2013 draft will go down as one of the worst of all time. I like that the club ponied up and backed ourselves with the swapping of picks, but haven't done enough research in to the drafts (15&16) to comment on whether I think the deal was good or not. That's an apt analogy, it's with noting though, that if you can gain a higher return by investing next months paycheck now you would do it. Essentially we have taken out a margin loan against next years draft pick.

I don't follow that logic... The difference in this years points in th gc deal was 1,603 - that's the equivalent of pick 8(between picks 7&8), eg 11th is a win, 12th is. Loss. Not sure how you got from there to 14th?

Mentioned bidding for callum mills(syd), hopper and possibly kennedy(both gws), in that order. I would like this, unless Sydney bring in a ton more picks it pretty much removes them from the draft and possibly mortgages them for next year as well, will pretty much remove gws from the draft as well.

Our 43 turned into 46 after fa compensation. 43 was originally 40, gc's 3rd round pick.

We only give up a top 4 pick if we finish in the bottom 4. Plus, strength of a draft typically refers to how deep it runs - I haven't paid attention to the draft for a few years but typically the top 10 players are similar in talent year to year and it's the depth of talent that varies dramatically. Also, as it's a picks for picks deal the points system can be applied for analysis: 3(2,234 points), 10(1,395) and 43(378) = 4,007 points 6(1,751), 29(653) = 2,404 points The points difference is 1,603 points, equivalent to pick 8 (between 7&8). So if we finish 11th or higher we 'win', 12th or lower and we 'lose'.

Righto, I find this more underwhelming than the melksham deal. Using the picks-points values and logic gives the following: Seedsman to collingwood p32(584 points) Howe and p68(59 points) for kennedy and seedsman (584 points) - adjusting points values gives Howe for Kennedy and 525 points(approx p35) Port traded p29(653 points) + p50(273 points) + p68(59 points) = 985 points For Toumpas and 32(584) Therefore Toumpas is worth 401 points(p42) Based on points values we traded Howe for Kennedy and p35 and Toumpas for 42.

I took it at face value, was sometime between 10-11am on Tuesday, KB mentioned that Freo was reportedly interested and his manager trotted that out - just highlighted that the longer flights and airport stopovers are inconvenient if he wants to make a day trip. Sidebottom would be a good target - surely Collingwood couldn't offer him anything near what we could $$wise. Cloke, Pendlebury, Swan, Greenwood on 500k+, the likes of Varcoe, Adams, Elliot, Reid and Toovey would also be on decent wages add in Treloar and Howe and they have to be paying close to the full cap.

It was mentioned by his manager on SEN a few days back that his mother in Hobart has some health issues and that he wanted to stay close - staying in Melbourne was preferred because there are direct flights at most hours, GC was acceptable but not ideal as most flights to Tassie are via Melbourne, Freo was ruled out because the flight is too far.

Well I'm underwhelmed. Would have liked their third or fourth on top, but cest la vie. Melksham will replace Howe off hb, bugg will replace cross as a negating mid, Kennedy will replace Toumpas as a vfl player who plays 5-10 times a year. Replacing average role players with more average role players. Will be disappointed if we walk out with worse draft picks than when we entered if those 3 are our only trades. We will have to rely on no key players going down with injury and every young player on our list making significant improvement to contemplate finals at this stage.

We traded for Frost last year because at the very last minute we baulked at reports that St Kilda (with pick #1) would take him in the PSD over Tim Membrey. There was no stalling over picks, the FD simply didn't hold it's nerve to take him in the PSD. You're right, sometimes you just have to pull the trigger, Melksham is not someone you pull the trigger on though, he's a c-grade player (B- at best). If he's out of contract and our 4 year, 400k a year offer is higher than anyone else we should just say fk it, go through the PSD or draft. Also, let's use some logic - if it's a straight swap of 25 for Melksham it's not holding any other deals up, he's on holidays O/S according to his twitter & afl.com.au so it's not like there's an advantage in getting the player to the club early. It would make sense to wait to see if we could get a more appropriate pick if it's a straight swap. As for your 'not flucking around comment' - I'll believe that when we land an A-grade mid, as Roos publically stated we wanted one mid year. Also for the record, Port got a contracted Ryder for pick 19 last year, this year in a weaker draft we are reportedly trading pick 25 for an uncontracted Melksham. Someone explain that to me please (for the 'pick 25 is the only pick we have, if it's slight overs meh' crowd, read the above paragraph).

http://m.3aw.com.au/news/jake-melksham-set-to-join-melbourne-20150917-gjpbyy.html. - link to audio. 4 year deal? Are the people who signed terlich up for 3 still working at the club?.... They shouldn't be. Edit - autocorrect on phone

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/justin-leppitsch-says-brisbane-building-long-term-for-premiership-and-no-one-will-remember-2015/story-fni5f4q3-1227481845296 Apparently the hun have realised that no one will be getting priority picks after we were continuously rejected, now saying that Leuenberger will net them a pick after their 1st rounder.

That was a long read. Good work for putting the effort in to that post. My thoughts - - I'd swap Brayshaw and Vandenburg, VB has had a much better year imo. If it was on potential Brayshaw would be ahead, but on performances this year VB is ahead. Both have had good highlights this year, but VB has had more impact on games. Also stats - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=4037&tid2=12&pid2=4103&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S - Not sure Salem has earnt B grade status yet... - would have Tyson as a B grader, not as flashy as last year, but his stats are only slightly down on what he did then. As per VB, if Brayshaw is the mark for B grader then Tyson's in. Also not sure about your assessment of him, he might be 4th in line, but he's still a (young) clearance mid. I'd think there'd be more chance that Bernie would finish his career on a forward/ back flank than Tyson being moved there. - would have pedo as a C grader.