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sorry RR, my post was referring to dee'viator

newton or ferg?

people are harsh on bate. i think people must remember he is still young, very young. he is tall for the midfield and i think no one is really sure where to play him. his kicking can be fantastic. ie that goal on sat night. his disposal can also be terrible. he seems to fumble the ball alot which worries me. i think he is out of form, a little bit nervous, and maybe we are expecting him to do more than he is ready too. he has only played a handful of games remember. not all players are like bartram. if we had enough players he would of been at sandy. for those who have been saying play the kids they should have been watching him closely. i reserve my judgement on bate. at the moment however i think he will play for quite a while but never be the best player in the league. i stumble when i say this because he can kick it long and straight, and not many so-so midfielders do that, if he can be damaging on the score board when running from the centre or the wing he will be a good player.

interesting RR, i discussed that in another thread. but i suggested that with neitz and robbo out that mental spur should have come a couple of weeks ago. the spot was there too take if he had of stood up. now that a couple of blokes younger than him have had a go maybe he will kick on. of course, there is always the chance he played well due to weaker opposition. a bit like ferg not making it at afl thus far but performing well at sandy. if he isnt picked this week, hopefully he puts in an equally exciting effort next weekend for sandy. there is no better way to get noticed by selectors than by kicking 6 goal hauls. its the best way of saying see me pick me. much better than a swag of possessions...

RR, f either neitz or green come back this week would you still promote newton? could you promote him at the expense of garland even if those two came in?

occo, it couldnt be that pointless, especially considering that you took part when this thread first came up

is it just me, or are the date stamps on these posts so messed up that i cant work out which ladder is which?

not only, as previously mentioned do you have garland twice, you also have named 3 outs (effectively only 2 because you still named garland) , but had green, bizzell, warnock, ward and neitz (5 players) all come in. so who 'disapears' to allow this team to play?

im a big wrap for petterd. i admit it is the first time i have seen him play so i wont weigh into the debate about whether he was ready or not. also i am not going to cliam him to be a champion on that one performance. however, he did look the goods last night. he got inti everything, wasnt afraid to stand his ground and put himself on the line. he won his own ball, he dished it off well, his disposal was good. he thought took time when he had it. he tried to break lines. yes he got caught a couple of times, but too be honest, thats what i think football should be about. run with the ball if you get caught sometimes well good on the opposition. it doesnt have to be possession footy all the time. he played a bit up forward a bit down back and in the mid. i thought he looked most comfortable in the midfield, it seemed his natural position. he won the footy here and used it well. when he drifted forward he looked like a midfielder on the forward flank. he wont be a permanent forward but i think we can expect him to kick a few goals there over the year as he pushes forward. playing him back on davies is what interested me. a normally pretty specialist positon the small defender is. with wheelan and bartram out we might see petterd playing down here the next couple of weeks. he held davies reasonably well, had the pace off the mark to go with him and still managed to be creative when he had the ball. the reason he wasnt our leading possession getter in my mind is because of the time he spent back. if he had of played the full game in the centre i think he would have been more prolific. fwiw, i agree that we need to play the kids, but the kids need to be ready. from all accounts newton is a confidence player who probably isnt ready for the big league. that makes him very different from a player who is a work-a-holic workhorse who isnt quite ready. because when the two players go up, the confidence player can really struggle but the other bloke tries his guts out and ends up pulling his weight. ND and the footy dept are the best people to judge this, the next best are those who watch both sandy and mfc. id like to think newton would get a go. but i also would have liked to see him step up his work rate at sandy over the past few weeks because he knew that robbo and neitz were out of the dees and that if he performed there was an opportunity for him. he hasnt stepped up. maybe he doesnt want it. maybe he is lazy, maybe he is down on confidence. maybe he wont make it. from all reports he will so i'd suggest that he isnt mature enough for that step yet either.

i cant believe our luck though. injuries at training are one thing...but seriously. last sunday alone we now have green, wheatly, wheelan, chunky, bell and brown all off injured. thats 6 injuries in 1 match, 5 of them bad enough to cause them not to play the next week. how can anyone say its not bad luck?

gday mate welcome to the forums. are you hedging your bets in case the north kangaroos really become the north kangaroos? i ope they dont but we'll happily have you on board if they do...

have a read of the forum before you post a new thread. honestly this is the 4th topic on the same point within 3 weeks. don't you read anything?

could definetly use him. it is interesting because aaron was a risk that came off...his brother was also a risk. do you reckon that his brother was good precedent that he would come ogod, or is it more likely that we got lucky with aaron and wouldnt pull it off again. time will tell whether garland and petterd and frawley will be better but he looks the goods at the moment.

good point about the lights though, has anyone heard what they are doing? i was told that the paul gardiner graciously offered to host sydney at the mcg if they wanted...

was a good bloke. we had to delist him, given the state of our list, and it was good we were able to find a home for him in trade week...

can we make the finals from 0-5? i think we showed last year we were good enough to mix it with the best at full strength. maybe 0-5 and we have the team back on track, we'd need to win 12 from 17...possible with a rich vein of form. probably not with the number of interstate games we have to play. regarding neitz, i dont think we play him til he's right. i dont think we should be playing any injured players atm. we're not gonna finish high on the ladder, and we have so many players out that playing a payer or two who are carrying injuries isnt going to get us just over the line but could result in longer term injuries. get games into the kids. we're not gonna win anyway so who cares?

one comment in particular angered me. the comment about it being more their home ground than ours? how stupid can you be. not only are we the melbourne football club who has played there since the beginning, but we have our social clubs based their and have ties with the mcc. collingwood are but a tennent. a wealthy tennent perhaps, but just a tennent. their home is that slum, victoria park. the other point was the ignorance in them saying they have just as many injuries as us. they obviously havnt had a good look at the injury lists have they? you could actually feel the ignorance as you read their posts couldnt you?

im not so sure...i think if he wants to come here we'll get him. i dont think we'll finish last but we'll most likely finish in the bottom half of the ladder giving us a reasonable bargaining chip. similar to aker last year if he says i want to go home, you have two choices trade me to melb or i go in the psd they will trade him. and if they have a choice of nothing or a 1st rounder and a player they would take it. he is a gun there is no doubt but we can work around that.

jamar is terrible around the ground we all know that. but he has a good pair of hands when going forward. can we afford to have a tap ruckman who takes the centre bounce then runs forward and waits...occasionally drifts back when it suits? or o we lose too much around the ground... i think we will struggle around the ground but just wondering peoples thoughts...

can a team trade an uncontracted player if he'd prefer to go in the draft? if not, just offer him the money and ignore west coast, he can then just nominate for the draft. i think he mgiht try and get something for WC though, id be happy to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder for him...

i was interested in the so i watched it again. he shouldve gone the ball no worries, but i dont think he shirked the contest. he tried to take mcmanus out, i think he thought he;d lost the ball and he'd take mcmanus out as well but mcmanus changed directions at the last moment. if he had of connected i reckon we would have gotten that ball out of there... i spose thats the risk of paying the man not the ball and it is something he will learn from...

the biggest positve for me? maybe im hopeless but last week id given up at half time. this week with 10 minutes left in the last quarter and 6 goals down i thought we were an outside chance if we could just snare a couple of quick ones. we tried all day/ luck didnt go our way. we missed easy shots early that wouldve had us in the contest. when we fought hard for a goal freo would get the quick one. when we needed the umpires help from a push in the back it was ignored. we didnt deserve to win. but we played with endeavour and kept battling to the last. better than the last few weeks.

are you sure he said that? i thought he said something about sylvia being a little bit slow in disposing of the footy. that he always takes 1 step too many which in return puts him under pressure with his disposal.

terrible post imo. miller worked hard all day. a lot of the delivery to him was a hospital kick over his head or a half volley at his feet. if he had the delivery that pavlich had it would be a different story. he ran hard and presented all day, and when he was close to goal in the last, he kicked a few. another good game from miller, thats 2 in a row now...he will improve slowly, he's not going to wake up tomorrow and be wayne carey. i thought nathan carrol worked admirably today also. pavlich lead well into space and had good delivery making it very hard to defend. there is only so much a full back can do, and nathan carroll made his fair share of spoils...

he needs support and he isnt getting it. it is unfortunate that over the years we have recruited a number of reasonable rucks and developed them but now that white is on the way out whats left isnt up to standard...