mo64

Why is this an issue for the players? They are professionals, and the club isn't asking them to partake in a training excercise during their scheduled leave break.

The issue isn't whether or not you think that Boot Camps are just macho/bravo BS. The big issue is that the Leadershp Players didn't have the balls to sit down with the Football Dept and address their concerns, instead of running to the Players Association. I can't think of another instance where a sporting team has basically raised OH&S as a reason for not partaking in a training excercise. It's embarassing for the club, and I really feel for Goodwin.

Don't forget that we were twice penalised with loss of draft picks in his early days (salary cap and Jeff White). He wouldn't have had many top 10 picks during his time. Of the top of my head, he had his fair share of successes (Farmer, Woey, Scott Thompson, Davey, Leoncelli, J. McDonald), many of whom were rookie listed. He was a genius compared to Prendergast.

Now I realise that my lack of "mindfulness" is the reason I never became an elite footballer. Lack of skill, endurance, pace and courage were merely minor flaws to my game. In all seriousness, every year the media picks out something quirky that the Premiership team has implemented, and infers that it played a major factor. First it was boot camps, then it became Leading Teams. "Mindfulness" will become the new buzzword. How was the Tigers "mindfulness" when they were constantly losing close games early in the year?

How can Robbie Flower not be on the list? PS: Can you at least spell their names right.

And I think you are being generous. He's been slaughtered in the past 2 VFL finals series.

I haven't got an issue with the highlighted point, but your initial post simply cast aspersions on Crameri's character, without any substance.

Do you think that Dustin Martin and Swanny go to the US to see the sights? Martin is such a bad influence on the Tiges.

Crameri on a base salary for 1 year makes sense. He would be legitimate depth, unlike Weid and Tim Smith, who haven't shown anything yet at AFL level.

If that's the case, then either Adelaide or Carlton would have received something significantly less, or we gave up a required player. So what would have been a fair 3 way trade? The Gibbs deal was more dependant on the Cameron trade than the Lever deal.

As expected, a fair amount of time spent on the Jack Watts trade. Here are a few points: • Jack Watts trade - received about 300-400 supporters commplaining before and after the trade. • Garry Lyon suggested Goodwin's B&F speech about competitiveness and professionalism alluded to JW. PJ pointed out the young talent on our list, and the need for the senior players to be role models. • There was only 1 club seriously interested in him, and that was PA. Geelong's offer would have made the supporters livid. And based on his football record to date, we couldn't expect a 1st round pick. • We are paying about 15% of his contract over 2 years, which works out to $75,000 per year. Suggested that the deal wouldn't have got done without that. • Jake Lever's trade equated to giving up pick 5. Mahoney and Viney had been into Lever for a long time. • Max Gawn expected to re-sign before the season commences, and would put him amongst the highest paid players at the club. • Looking for a permanent training facility within the CBD. Won't be easy with so many stakeholders involved. • PJ signed until the end of the 2018, and spoke about the importance of implementing a succession plan. Someone texted in saying that Lewis was a bust. PJ said that Lewis and Daniel Cross before him, had a huge impact on the levels of professionalism on the training track. The players previously didn't understand what was required. Audio here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=149541

Laurie Fowler (3 Blueys) in for Yeats, and Sean Wight in for Hughes. Tingay ahead of all those listed on interchange and emergencies. And Garry Baker on the bench as 2nd ruckman.

So you would have been ok if we got pick 95 for Watts, if Port paid all of his salary? You can't have it both ways with a contracted player that you are looking to move on.

Does someone like COYB really know what levels of professionalism the club expects of its senior players? I've always been a massive critic of our FDs in the past, but in this instance I'm in agreement, based on what I see of Jack Watts the footballer.

And as such, your commentary of events has been emotional rather than rational. Your perception of Jack Watts the footballer, is blinkered by your feelings of Jack Watts the person. The FD's decision was based on cold hard facts, not emotion. And that's how a Football Department should operate.

You read my mind. His "highlights package" actually showed him missing a goal from 2 metres out.

Rockliff is an absolute stat padder. He racks up possessions that don't hurt the opposition. Fagan had the courage to move him on. Watts and Motlop are both questionable commodities.

Champagne comedy!!!!

Maybe that's the culture at the club that Goodwin's trying to change. The players get too comfortable in their skins, and the results prove it. We have a great win against all odds, then lose a game we're expected to win.

Yep. Chalk and cheese compared to Watts. McDonald and Bruce didn't get drafted from the TAC, and had to work there butt off to make it. Both got the most out of their abilities. Fantastic examples to younger players. Watts has never been in the LG. The decision to cut McDonald was terrible, but the Bruce decision was based on length of contract. And I hope Sam Weid learns quickly that the ultimate club player is different to the ultimate club professional.

Now this statement has been repeated ad nauseum, and is hard to comprehend. If we were a premiership team, and Watts was an integral part of the success, I could understand if there was some residual backlash from his teammates. The Whale Roberts being traded from Richmond, and Bradbury and Carey from Essendon, are examples where trades had an underlying impact on the playing group. But these teams had multiple premiership success behind them. The MFC is a team that hasn't played finals in 11 years, and is still seen as mentally fragile. If the players arc up because the FD want to weed out players who don't exhibit elite standards of professionalism, then we will go backwards. But that falls on the players, not the FD.

This explains how genuine Geelong's interest in Jack Watts was: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/15/why-cats-gave-up-watts-chase/

Yeah, and last year we got royally screwed on the Hibberd and Lewis deals.

We probably valued him at say pick 21 - 25, and there would be less hand wringing on here if that's what we got. But the club wanted to move Watts on, so do you really think that they'd backflip over 6-10 positions in the 2nd round of the draft?

We're also trading his $500,000 salary. His value is determined by the market. Stephen Wells said that Geelong would rather go into the draft than give us what we wanted, which was an early 2nd round pick. And Pick 31 was Port Adelaide's 1st available pick.