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It'll be either his manager trying to get a few extra $$$ by saying he's looking around or Freo trying to get a higher price. Of course we'll say there's nothing in principle because that's not allowed.

Tom Cutler from Brissy is a better option IMO and would come cheaper after having an injury interrupted year. He's back playing now but Brissy have no injuries so is unlikely to get a look in for finals, and could struggle behind Robertson and McLuggage next year anyway. Same age as Amon, a little taller and has similar speed.

Laird is a know commodity, and a very good one at that who will still offer 5 or 6 years service. While we do need younger players coming through he's not old any measure. Plus getting him could release Salem onto the wing, which with the addition of Langdon solves the outside mid issue, one has great speed the other with precision kicking.

He was injured this year and didn't get to do all that fitness work, I reckon if he gets that done over this summer he'll go back to that 2018 form.

End of the 2018 season HAHA, doubt they'll let him go now!

That's not why they want pick 3, they want it so they don't lose their first round picks (which they would if they got an early bid). They want a player at pick 3 and Green, otherwise they wouldn't bother trading.

Highly doubt it and his current contract was signed back before the 2017 season so is not likely to be massive. He hadn't played a full season up until then. The future contract also is what the compo is based on and I can't see him being in the top 3 or 4 paid at our club if he comes to us.

Yeah they'll want pick 3, but they'll still needs later picks, so they have enough points to pay for Green. Say he gets bid on at pick 5, they'll need 1502 points (they get a 20% discount on what the pick is normally worth). Whereas at the moment they only have pick 49 (likely to be pushed to mid 50s after PP and academy bidding) which is only worth 287 points. For them to get Green they'd have to either get more picks in or go into deficit for next year - it's the equivalent of pick 13. So they'll be trying to bundle up the pick they get for Tomilinson, lets assume a 2nd rounder, plus picks they might get for other players so they can 'pay' for Green.

Not sure where you got those names from? But Briggs is a ruckman and GWS certainly will not be getting rid of any ruckman, also Buckley was a cat B rookie, so they can sit him outside the salary cap for another year. They'll be trying to free up some cap space to keep Whitfield and Cameron next year so that could mean there happy for one of the young guys to go now (O'Hallroan, Caldwell, Hill, Idun or Hartley) before they need pay increases in their 3rd year but most likely they'll try and shop Bonar, Cumming, Langdon or Perryman to get their salaries off the books going into next year.

We'd have to offer way too much to get GWS an end of first for Tomlinson, to get that sort of pick he'd have to be in the top 30% earners of all players aged over 25 - which I doubt he'll be in that area. He might net a 2nd round pick, which is likely to be mid 30s. GWS won't trade that anyway because they'll need points to get Green. A player will be involved.

Think Laird moving all comes down to what comes out of the Adelaide review, have heard he's one who's not happy with Camporeale so if he stays Laird is more likely to go. If we split the pick with GWS then pick 15 is more than fair, in fact Adelaide will probably ask for more. He turns 26 in December, has average 30 or close too disposals over the last 4 years, been All Aust twice. If we got him then Salem could move permanently to 1 wing, plus we'd have Langdon on the other. 1 with great speed and endurance while the other offers more precision. Starting next year with Laird and Langdon completely transforms the ball movement within our team, plus we could still go to the draft with an early pick in an even draft.

It's the new world where if a player is a free agent after the following season they'll be talked about so clubs try to maximise their return. Would GWS want pick 2 this year for Whitfield as compare to potential a compensation pick in the mid to late teens next year? Grundy, Crouch, Daniher and Cameron are all on a similar list (free agent next year) who've all been spoken about either on here or in the media. However, I get the impression that he'll play out most of his career in Sydney away from the Melbourne footy bubble, I'm sure he'd love to play in Melbourne (the town) but from what I've heard it's best if he stays away from other potential distractions and being in Sydney gives him a better opportunity to do that.

I know it's easy to cheery pick stats, but ask any tigers fan and they'll tell you that Butler goes missing for long periods during games, which given he's a pressure forward as compared to a goal kicking cumber just isn't good enough. Butler and ANB are the closet comparison we have in our team and I'd take ANB. I think Lockhart could end up being a true crumber with a full pre-season while Spargo might end up in defense. Either way if we chase Butler it'll be for nothing more than depth as compared to someone who'd come in and make an instant impact in the best 22. He's not really worth anymore than a 4th rounder, but assume there'd be a team out there who'd pay more than that.

I know ANB has had a down year, but if you compare their best years 2017 for Butler and 2018 for ANB, you'd take ANB. While ANB has been more consistent over their careers. They are roughly the same age and got taken in the same draft. ANB doesn't kick as many goals, but Butler doesn't kick all that many either, while ANB has the better tank so gets around the ground more. I just don't see the need for Butler. Bolton is the better get, but I doubt we'll be in the mix, he'll either stay or head back to WA.

Spot on, but I reckon GWS will probably want to move on a senior player with a bigger or longer contact. Hartley and ohallaran are 1st year players so on the minimal contacts for next year and they'll want to free up more cap space, not sure who we should ask for but I agree it'll be more than just 13 and 15.

Sure have been! The ones going after Daisy Thomas, Tex Walker and bringing back Watts have been my favorites so far.

From memory we had a media deal with the HUN until the early/mid 2000s then switched to the big paper, and had Martin Blake embedded in the club for a couple of seasons and he wrote some great articles. Anyway when the tanking mess started the HUN went very hard like they had a vendetta, from us changing a few years before. Surprisingly when Essendon got done for drugs the HUN had a media deal and tried as hard as they could to get them off.

Yeah so did Libba Snr when he was an assistant at Carlton, used the words 'we were trying not to win'. No action taken on them either.

There's a facebook parody page called 'If Damien Barrent said this then', this could have seriously come from that. He's a massive [censored] which is why there a re very few clubs who actually talk to him, so he makes most things up.

We've clearly invested heavily into the draft in the past so the last 3 years have been about putting pieces around those draft picks instead of staying so young. Remember that under the age of 26 we've got Viney, Salem, Harems, Trac, Hunt, Braysahw, Lever, Hore, Fritsch, Oliver, Weid, JSmith, Lockhart, Preuss, Hannan, OMac, ANB, KK plus Frost (this week so still counts), while not all best 22, all would be best 30. That's a lot of very big part of the list who are between 22 & 26 so there still young and relatively inexperienced (only Viney with more than 100 games and 10 with more than 50 games). Focusing on youth over the last 3 years would have left us with lots of talent but we've done our development and we wanted to challenge, it worked in 2018. 2019 has been a disaster but as a club I'd prefer that we try and play finals regularly rather than just bring in young talent all the time. If we have a good injury run the we'll just need the list of player above to improve by another 10% and I've got no doubt we'll be back up the ladder again next year.

Wondering if that argument would be brought up as much if GWS took Billings instead? Plus why doesn't anyone ever mention Carlton splitting their 2014 first round pick (7 for 19 plus Jaksch and Willey) - no winners there at all!! or in 2013 West Coast sending 6 & 44 (Scharenburg & Jesse White (traded for what became Aliir Aliir)) in exchange for 11, 31 & 44 (Sheed, Karpany & no gamer), still a clear win for WC. Or that time we sent picks 6, 29 and our 2016 first (AhChee, Schoenfield & Will Brodie - all still on the Suns list and played a combined 10 games this year) for picks 3, 10 & 43 (became Oliver, Weid & Bugg).

Can't see GWS matching any offers, if they did and then we (or whoever made the offer) didn't then trade they'd be in a whole lot of salary cap trouble, they'll be making plans to keep Whitfield and Cameron next year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a few others get shaken out of their this year as well.

That wasn't the deal at all. Instead of just giving up pick 22 for Langdon, then going to the draft with picks 3, 41 & 59 we end up with Langdon, plus picks 13, 22 & 26 (and there'd be a good chance we'd also get another player out of GWS). On pure draft pick calculations (using the index), it values Langdon as an early 2nd, GWS get the equivalent points for their picks and we end up with the player we want plus downgrade our first pick to 13, don't lose our 2nd and pick up another decent 2nd for our 4th and 5th picks. When you actually take time to understand it, it's not over the odds at all, not saying it'll happen but based on the pure numbers this is a win-win-win for all clubs.

Haha, you said it? We'd split the picks for GWS's picks + Tomlinson? If we split our pick for GWS's picks then we'll be getting another player as well, and we could also get Tomlinson as a free agent separate to that, but not part of it, that would be stupid

Not sure how stupid we'd have to be to trade for a free agent?