Red and Blue realist

Every chance we asked the question last year and got told no. He was in contract then, and apparently was the one who was loyal. Given he is out of contract this year gives a little more bargaining power, but he would be valued at our second pick so if that goes well I'd say we've paid his fair value, unless we can convince him to go to the pre-season draft and ensure the Suns don't take him (not going to happen!). Freo don't have a 3rd rounder, plus this would value him as a mid first round, which he isn't. Our second will get it done, I'd hope they try for next years second but doubt Freo would take that.

Totally agree, but lets not nurse him to 300, keep him on the list but make him earn the spot. He should be like Lewis this year and Vince the year before and be told he's not an automatic selection and that he has to be prepared to play Casey. He's been offered minimal money that reflects this anyway, and won't be captain next season. Having said that, he would be the absolutely perfect person to go to the Gold Coast to help out for a year, but it would be cruel given what he's been through with us.

Seriously? He's played exactly 100 games for Carlton and only won 28 of them, if were going to bring in guys who are ready to retire then surely we go the Jordy Lewis model again and bring in someone who has a strong history of winning? There is no way we should consider him for a second, this is one of the more bizarre calls on here.

Looks to me like he spend all morning with Goody and also Clarko, so he might have been trying to talk to others as well. I think you've drawn the long bow trying to find something in the last 10 seconds of a 5 minute clip, in which Goody spoke warmly of Lewis. Anyway, it was always clear this was going to be his last year, and he's already got media commitments lined up. I'd love to see him stay on in some capacity, in the same way Vince and Cross have as well.

Amazingly we've only got 4 players who are over 190cm, Gawn, Lever, Frost and Hore. Sydney themselves only have 6. I wonder if this will be in the records book for the game with the shortest average height? Might have to ensure the little league kids are easily identified in case one ends up on the wing in the 3rd quarter.

Langdon for a 2nd will do, I doubt Freo will risk their 1st in a swap with us for next year, but would be a great move if we could pull that off as well. Schoenmakers will be 29 next season, he's also free agent so no draft pick needed. I wouldn't go anywhere near him though, he might play a few games if we have the same injury run but otherwise would be taking a young guys spot. Think we'll also be targeting a small forward, if not someone like Serong at the top end of the draft then maybe from a state league to make an instant impact, Lowson maybe? I think we'll keep Spargo who's still in contract and hope it's just been the 2nd year blues. I agree with your other delistings.

They've got Brissy's first, so a bit higher up this year than 7. But yeah, i could see the AFL being happier to give GC a mid or end of 1st round priority pick if they knew they were going to end up with the first 2 picks anyway. Even if Brissy drop back to 4th, which will give them around pick 16/17 (after academy picks) then it still rates King around pick 9/10, so I could see everyone being happy with us giving up pick 2 for King plus 16. And GC then getting pick 20 or so as the priority.

Values King at around pick 5, which would be fair. Realistically they already have Brissy's first pick (which is currently 17), and I'm assuming that if King really does want out that'll really strengthen the priority pick chance. So I'd say we'd end up with pick 3. I'd say Gold Coast will also prefer a more senior player than a pick from us, but along those lines I'd be offering up pick 3 and 21 (or next years second) plus Frost or OMac (offer OMac, but they'll probably want Frost) for King, Jack Martin and Brissy's first round pick this year.

Spot on rjay, given he's never played at the highest level he needs to show he has the capability to lead his own team. Chris Fagan is the only current AFL coach who never played at the level, but had extensive experience coaching his own sides before given a shot at an assistant level. Jennings has the reputation across the league as the best analyst of the game, and a great teacher but needs to show he can operate in his own right so he gets to get the opportunities afforded to ex-players.

Don't want to call Reiwoltd a liar but he is, they've only been on the field at the same time once, since Frost has been a Dee anyway. In that game Frost was a forward, it was in 2016 when Hogan kicked 7. Just another ex-player trying to guarantee a media job by creating headlines. Frost has no doubt improved massively this year, but I read that Collingwood directly targeted his man (Elliot) more than twice as much as any other forward. Just wondering if opposition teams understand his liabilities and are happy with the odd intercept/dashing run knowing that he's just as likely to give up or cause a few goals? I've sensed that when May and Lever are in the team opposition teams are trying to isolate Frost a lot more. Wonder what his worth would be if they don't re-sign him, if he's worth more to us than other teams might pay. Will they see his liabilities more than what he can do?

You took a select amount of what I said and tried to argue it, I tried to explain what l was saying, not changing what I was saying at all. Happy to chat if it's constructive but you went straight into a negative then told me I was wrong, even though it missed the original point.

Don't engage if you can't understand what's been written. Not everyone on here is as negative as you, so we're not all trying to smash all the players and coaches at every opportunity

I meant mentally, but clearly you didn't pick up on that.

It was more about freeing up Omac and getting him back in a position where he is a good contributor for us again, plus I thought he was much better than Petty yesterday. Sydney don't really play tall (unless buddy comes back) so they both might stay forward, with Hore coming in for May.

I'd prefer Petty went back and omac had another couple of games with a fair amount of freedom. It looks like he's smashed himself from pillar to post this year as well, so playing without as much pressure might do wonders for him heading into the preseason.

Apparently they only had 6 from their grand final side out. We had 9 from our prelim side. The quality of the overall game reflected that.

Think both will end up All Aust again this year

Frost was seriously horrible, couldn't get within 5 metres of his opponent today, he got lucky Elliott couldn't kick straight. Fritra, may and tracc our best by a long way

Logic be dammed, it's all the fault of Misson, goody, pert, Bartlett, McCartney, omac, watts and Jones.

Think most of the rumours are coming from Saints fans who think he'll go to play with his brother. He'll still get a top 5 pick plus more next year if he continues on like he is. The AFL will be ensuring the gold coast get way overs if any of their young guns leave, it's in their interest too. There's no way he'll be traded this year

That's one way to ensure gold coast get a priority pick! No way would they consider releasing him this year unless it's for massive overs, pick 2 would only be the start of the conversation

Thanks! I'd be hoping the club's go into the same level of detail as what you've got.

I'd still start May back, but move him forward if we get a bit of momentum. I also want to see Frost as the backup ruckman, if Petty goes in there we'll have no-one forward, plus a bit of Frost ball out of the middle could be entertaining if nothing else.

I'd like them to bring in Hore, and put hunt back forward with this plan. I agree with Preuss and OMac being the omissions with Lewis being sent to Howe in a negating role. I know he can't match him in the air but if he can block his run and general intercepting marks then we can hopefully keep those 'dirty balls' in the front half.

Seemed to suggest in the presser that they might go with Petty as the key forward then go smaller. Good idea if it is going to be wet and windy. The Pies certainly will be going small.