travis never had heart for the club. travis is lazy and a big disppointment! Shaw has the heart the size of the MCG and shaw plays for his clib not for himself

I agree with you 'dazzle'

Travis is not the best footballer at the club. Certainly he has the most exquisite skills but in today's game that is not enough. His application has never, or rarely matched his talent - we have certainly not seen his best often enough. He turns 28 next year, we finished 3rd last and have an immature spine and ruck division so our Premiership window is probably going to open in 3 or 4 years by which time TJ will at the end of his career. The addition of Pick 14 gives us good flexibilty in the Top 20 and will hopefully produce a player who is in our 13th Premiership team.

Beautifully said, and spot on!

just heard on 3AW that deal almost done. jonno to brissy, woods to pies and reece shaw and pick 14 to dees

I will never understand any of you who are happy-happy-joy-joy about this news.

Trading TJ for Pick 14 (Mr. X who could turn out to be a complete hack) and a player from the Filth?

I will literally cry when I see him tearing it up for another team.

This is a sad, sad day and I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Agree, i think losing TJ could be a bad move, i was finally hoping we would have a coach who could put the fire under him and get the best out of him, looks like that will be lethal leigh.

Rhyce Shaw? Why bother. I'd rather take a chance with a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Does he fit into the U23 age bracket CAC is aiming for?

TJ for Wood in a straight swap would be nice.

I will never understand any of you who are happy-happy-joy-joy about this news.

Trading TJ for Pick 14 (Mr. X who could turn out to be a complete hack) and a player from the Filth?

I will literally cry when I see him tearing it up for another team.

This is a sad, sad day and I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I never like to see a player leave the club, particularly after having been with us for 10 years, but "nothing changes if nothing changes!"

As stated earlier, we finished 14th and have gaps in our list.....something has to give.

There would be a supporter that could make a case for every player on our list to stay......even some who questioned the delisting of Godders.

Our 10 year Daniher era is over. Changes are needed. Is TJ going to turn things around and be the player we need him to be for the next 4-5 years? Highly unlikely!

Why do this deal??? Shaw is of no value to us, as simple as that.

Try and get the swans to give up pick 11. If we have pick 11, then maybe, just maybe Rance might be around when our pick comes. Trav for 11 yes (although reluctantly), pick 14 and Shaw (the wrong one) no. Unless of course, we throw in our 2nd round pick for their pick 8, then yeah i'd do that. But not for pick 14.

If we are to trade TJ, we may as well trade Bruce, coz he ain't gonna win us a flag.

Get pick 11 for him + Miller off the swans (with maybe Buchanan).

We'd have picks 4,11,14,21

Or we could give Johno up plus our 2nd rounder for Brissies pick 8.

We'd have picks 4,8,11. This way we would have gotten rid of players that realistically won't help us win a flag, plus we would have started our re-building phase, with next years draft just as important.

I for one are happy about this trade. TJ hasn't fullfilled his potential and probably never will.

As stated before, TJ won't be in his prime when we are looking at a realistic chance of a flag and i think it's a good move to get rid of him. We'll forget about him when McClean, Silvia and Jones are ripping it up. I also believe that by picking up Rhys Shaw, Bell may get a gig in the midfield where his hard tackling will pay dividends!!!

Who would we expect to get at pick 14?

travis never had heart for the club. travis is lazy and a big disppointment! Shaw has the heart the size of the MCG and shaw plays for his club not for himself

The problem is DD36 is Rhyce isn't a very good player.

Pick 14 + Nathan Brown for Trapper anyone?

Rhyce Shaw? Why bother. I'd rather take a chance with a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Does he fit into the U23 age bracket CAC is aiming for?

TJ for Wood in a straight swap would be nice.

Agree 100%.

Who would we expect to get at pick 14?

I anticipate that we'll take a midfielder at pick 4. If we are legitimately going to take the best player available you would have to think that, assuming Morton, Kruezer and Cotchin are all gone, that would be either Masten (who has big, big raps on him) or Palmer (who's form through the U18 carnival and since has been exceptional).

We can hope beyond hope that Rance will still be around at pick 14 but I highly doubt it. Other alternatives might be McEvoy or Henderson, though there is every chance they'll be gone as well.

I will never understand any of you who are happy-happy-joy-joy about this news.

Trading TJ for Pick 14 (Mr. X who could turn out to be a complete hack) and a player from the Filth?

I will literally cry when I see him tearing it up for another team.

This is a sad, sad day and I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I agree completely.

I will never understand any of you who are happy-happy-joy-joy about this news.

Trading TJ for Pick 14 (Mr. X who could turn out to be a complete hack) and a player from the Filth?

I will literally cry when I see him tearing it up for another team.

This is a sad, sad day and I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

You know deestroy, I was thinking this tonight, driving home from soccer. I will be sad to see him go. Part of it is because I think he's a daft bugger and needs us to hold his hand, but also for TJ the player. He's given us nearly 10 years, and he's done some sensational things in his time here.

I am reluctant to part with him, but unfortunately we are in the business that is football, and hard decisions need to be made. I think in the long run his departure will be to our benefit. He will always be one of my favourite players to watch however... except against us.

is this some kind of weird prank ?? I dont have a problem with trapper going.. but how on earth does Rhyce Shaw come into it. a very aerage plodder on a good day. ( and thats being kind !! )

must be weird wednesday !!

I will never understand any of you who are happy-happy-joy-joy about this news.

Trading TJ for Pick 14 (Mr. X who could turn out to be a complete hack) and a player from the Filth?

I will literally cry when I see him tearing it up for another team.

This is a sad, sad day and I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

He will never rip it up for Melbourne

So I say good riddance Travis you lazy [censored]

According to Channel 10 (sports tonight I presume) he is 'almost certain' to go to Brisbane. Which is probably good. Pick 20 is not good enough. Pick 14 is, though I would hope CAC would negotiate to see if we could snag something that isn't Rhyce Shaw.

He will never rip it up for Melbourne

So I say good riddance Travis you lazy [censored]

Id agree with the first half..

but not the second, there were times he was all but the only one on the field bleeding for th ejumper.....and yet this still hasnt been enough in hindsight

Good luck Trapper.. enjoy the surf !!

Try and get Sherman as the sweetner

WTF Rhyce Shaw? What a waste of a spot on our list, good for sandy supporters though!

Looks like someone got some wires crossed. Shaw was a sweetner alright - for Brisbane NOT Melbourne:

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/shaw-mig...1695990919.html

Melbourne also linked to Moran. Wonder what Meesen would make of that?

Looks like it's done then;

"The Magpies entertained Wood yesterday and remain confident of bringing the 20-year-old to Victoria, in part because Johnstone, who flew to Brisbane yesterday, has agreed to join the Lions."

Why do this deal??? Shaw is of no value to us, as simple as that.

Try and get the swans to give up pick 11. If we have pick 11, then maybe, just maybe Rance might be around when our pick comes. Trav for 11 yes (although reluctantly), pick 14 and Shaw (the wrong one) no. Unless of course, we throw in our 2nd round pick for their pick 8, then yeah i'd do that. But not for pick 14.

I agree with the Shaw aspect of this, I don't see his value either........

As for the #11 pick, it would be great but I really don't see Sydney giving it up and Roos has said quite clearly in the Sydney press that he will not be parting with it.

The biggest issue with the Swans is their successful but rapidly aging list, they are in need of a re-generation more than just about anybody else at this point in time. And they simply can't afford to bottom out (because of the environment they exist in up here) for a couple of years to acquire the top line draft picks like other clubs can and to this end Johnstone is probably not as important to them or their future as their top pick right now.

I have read on here a thousand times over and over about getting our hands on Sydney's top draft pick, but honestly if anyone thinks that they are going to hand it over for anything less than a miracle then you are sadly mistaken. It has more value to them than I think most on here have any clue about.

Now you can believe what you will, and want what you want, and of course things could change depending on who might become available before the end of the week, but please stop living in cloud coo-coo land and realise that to Sydney, while Johstone would be valuable, their future stocks are probably more so.

And again, it has been stated by the Swans that they do not want to give up their first round draft pick.

But please don't let all this get in the way of any continued craziness !!!

Looks like someone got some wires crossed. Shaw was a sweetner alright - for Brisbane NOT Melbourne:

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/shaw-mig...1695990919.html

Melbourne also linked to Moran. Wonder what Meesen would make of that?

now that makes more sense to me.. couldnt understand the Shaw thing...now I do..

pick 14 ?? hmm Ol' Bails really had it in for Trap.

Still thats now 2 first round picks...curiouser and curiouser!!

I will never understand any of you who are happy-happy-joy-joy about this news.

Trading TJ for Pick 14 (Mr. X who could turn out to be a complete hack) and a player from the Filth?

I will literally cry when I see him tearing it up for another team.

This is a sad, sad day and I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Hey Guys,

I've been a long time reader but first time poster. Just had to post my thoughts on this topic, even though you guys will probably try and rip shreds through me for doing so. I am so glad that another demon fan out there shares my sentiments, been such a depressing few days and it seemed to be like that for myself alone until reading this post. Everyone's draft pick happy but what quality has pick 14 netted clubs since 2000 other than Daniel Harris for the kangaroos in '02? The others are ok players at best, delisted hacks in a number of cases.

And we're getting pick 14 in a supposedly weak draft after the first five or six selections? Tell you what, we won't be picking up a Franklin or Judd with that pick. Along with a Daniel Ward clone from he filth? No thanks, I think I'd rather keep Johnstone rather than roll the dice on those picks. And why do the club refuse to trade Miller and Jamar? I was really happy with the attitude the club had until now but the last week or so has started to indicate things might be going downhill again. Sorry guys, but just don't share your enthusiasm at this point in time. Sure, Trapper hasn't lived up to his potential but there are very few at the club that have of late.

Deestroy08, at least one other demon definitely DOES feel the same way.

BTW Yze magic, Trapper a lazy [censored]? That's a disappointing call to make on anyone that's given the club 10 years of their footballing life. When did you pull a jumper on last? And if this is Travis how would you classify Yze?