Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Daniel Bell

Simon Buckley

Nathan Carroll

Aaron Davey

Lynden Dunn

James Frawley

Colin Garland

Simon Godfrey

Brad Green

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Paul A. Johnson

Nathan Jones

James McDonald

Brock McLean

Brent Moloney

David Neitz

Michael Newton

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Colin Sylvia

Isaac Weetra

Matthew Whelan

Adem Yze

Daniel Ward

Matthew Warnock

Ryan Ferguson

Heath Neville

Trade Possibilities? Where to & for what?

Cameron Bruce

Chris A. Johnson

Travis Johnstone

Brad Miller

Russell Robertson

Paul Wheatley

Jeff White

Rookies

Jace Bode

Daniel Hughes

Shane Neaves

Daniel Hayes

Gone or should go

Clint Bizzell

Nathan D. Brown

Byron Pickett

delist/ retired:

Brown

Bizzel

Pickett

Neville

Ward

Ferguson (note that it was either him or Warnock as depth k.p.p and warnock is contracted for 2008)

Hughes* rookie- is unlucky but has to have shown more to get upgraded and is out of contract

offer up for trade bait, but if nobody offers anything at all (id even take a 3rd or 4th round pick) then delist:

Jamar

Miller

Borderline but probably keep as depth:

Holland

C. Johnson

Offer for trade, but only accept if we can manage to get a top10ish pick:

Bruce

Johnstone

Upgrade to senior list:

Neaves

Bode

pick up 1 player in PSD and about 5 in the draft.

during trade period, do not go out massively trying to poach highly rated stars from other clubs.

I would look at picking up Meesan (adel), Byrnes (geel), Prissmal (geel), R.Murphy (freo), Wood (bris) or Jaymie Graham (WCE) but only offer pick 21 and a sweetener (like Jamar or Miller or pick 37). we need draft picks this draft so dont just throw away picks for players unless they are going to be starting 18 players in 2008!

Pick 4- pick up Rys Palmer

If we somehow manage to gain a second top 10 pick through trading bruce of johnstone then pick up Rance (best key position defender in the draft) or McEvoy (the best pure ruckman in the draft)

delist/ retired:

Bizzel

Brown

Pickett

Miller

Jamar

Ward

Neville

Warnock

Borderline but probably keep as depth:

Ferguson

C. Johnson

Offer for trade, but only accept if we can manage to get a top10ish pick:

Johnstone

Offer for trade, but only accept if we can manage to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick

Moloney

Upgrade to senior list:

Bode

Neaves

Hughes(I think he can turn into a good player with a full pre-season with no injuries)

If we trade Johnstone for a top 10 draft pick then if both top 10 draft picks will hopefully be either (Rance+Palmer) or (Rance+Ebert)

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Daniel Bell

Simon Buckley

Nathan Carroll

Aaron Davey

Lynden Dunn

James Frawley

Colin Garland

Simon Godfrey

Brad Green

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Paul A. Johnson

Nathan Jones

James McDonald

Brock McLean

Brent Moloney

David Neitz

Michael Newton

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Colin Sylvia

Isaac Weetra

Matthew Whelan

Adem Yze

Daniel Ward

Matthew Warnock

Ryan Ferguson

Heath Neville

Trade Possibilities? Where to & for what?

Chris A. Johnson- WCE hopefully a 4th rounder

Travis Johnstone- 1st round pick anywhere

Brad Miller- Brisbane for a 4th rounder

Russell Robertson- 2nd round pick anywhere

Rookies

Jace Bode- Elevate

Daniel Hughes- Elevate

Shane Neaves- Elevate

Daniel Hayes- Remain on list

Gone or should go

Clint Bizzell

Nathan D. Brown

Byron Pickett

Heath Neville

Daniel Ward

Jamar

Ferguson

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Simon Buckley

Nathan Carroll

Aaron Davey

Lynden Dunn

Ryan Ferguson

James Frawley

Colin Garland

Simon Godfrey

Brad Green

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Paul A. Johnson

Travis Johnstone

Nathan Jones

James McDonald

Brock McLean

Brent Moloney

David Neitz

Michael Newton

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Russell Robertson

Isaac Weetra

Paul Wheatley

Matthew Whelan

Jeff White

Adem Yze

Trade Possibilities? Where to & for what?

Daniel Bell - Adelaide for first round draft pick / second round and a Victorian kid or perhaps third round plus Meesen?

Cameron Bruce - lower end of the first round in the draft / higher end second round (perhaps Hawthorn, Footscray, Brisbane) or perhaps Cameron Wood directly from the latter?

Chris A. Johnson - West Australian team, hopefully 3rd or 4th round of draft

Brad Miller - don't expect any offers, imagine he's under contract. Will stay on if so.

Colin Sylvia - first round draft pick or similar not-quite-there player from another's list (such as one of Hawthorn's current ruckmen, Fisher from Carlton, etc)

Rookies

Jace Bode - elevate

Daniel Hughes - hold

Shane Neaves - elevate

Daniel Hayes - drop

Gone or should go

Clint Bizzell

Nathan D. Brown

Byron Pickett

Heath Neville - delist

Daniel Ward - delist

delist/ retired:

Brown

Bizzel

Pickett

Neville

Ward

Ferguson (note that it was either him or Warnock as depth k.p.p and warnock is contracted for 2008)

Hughes* rookie- is unlucky but has to have shown more to get upgraded and is out of contract

offer up for trade bait, but if nobody offers anything at all (id even take a 3rd or 4th round pick) then delist:

Jamar

Miller

Borderline but probably keep as depth:

Holland

C. Johnson

Offer for trade, but only accept if we can manage to get a top10ish pick:

Bruce

Johnstone

Upgrade to senior list:

Neaves

Bode

pick up 1 player in PSD and about 5 in the draft.

during trade period, do not go out massively trying to poach highly rated stars from other clubs.

I would look at picking up Meesan (adel), Byrnes (geel), Prissmal (geel), R.Murphy (freo), Wood (bris) or Jaymie Graham (WCE) but only offer pick 21 and a sweetener (like Jamar or Miller or pick 37). we need draft picks this draft so dont just throw away picks for players unless they are going to be starting 18 players in 2008!

Pick 4- pick up Rys Palmer

If we somehow manage to gain a second top 10 pick through trading bruce of johnstone then pick up Rance (best key position defender in the draft) or McEvoy (the best pure ruckman in the draft)

i have no idea what some people are on. Promote neaves but you want to get rid of jamar. MAkes no sense as jamar is a better player and is not a great deal older!!!!

i think we can rookie hughes again so maybe an option with him and neaves as hayes has already been told hes gone!

i have no idea what some people are on. Promote neaves but you want to get rid of jamar. MAkes no sense as jamar is a better player and is not a great deal older!!!!

i think we can rookie hughes again so maybe an option with him and neaves as hayes has already been told hes gone!

I disagree, I think Neaves is already as good as Jamar, even without any AFL experience. Isn't he about 5 years younger as well?

Seems like we want to trade away every single player on our list these days and boy does it get frustrating. I hate the way things go after a poor season, everyone just seems to think that the only way to improve is to trade away 15-20 players for any reason they can think of. I understand that we do need to make a few changes but let's be realistic about it. Our list without the injuries is very competitive and all we need is the right tweaking to turn our fortunes around.

Understand where you are coming from, but some players who have constant injury issues should be looked at.

I'm sure the Dees will contemplate trading Moloney but they know deep down that no club will want to go near him.

Travis Johnstone should not be entertained. We need to retain what little class and silk we have available.

I agree Jarka. And for the record, Jamar is 24 and Neaves is 20.

Who are they? I believe Beamer is one but not 100% on that, could anyone tell me?

David Neitz (v)

Russell Robertson

Jared Rivers

Brock McLean

Brad Miller

Paul Wheatley

Ryan Ferguson

Colin Sylvia

James McDonald

Nathan Carroll

Nathan Jones

Paul Johnson

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Clint Bartram

Chris Johnson

Simon Godfrey

Daniel Ward

Matthew Warnock

Micheal Newton

Simon Buckley

Heath Neville

® Jace Bode

® Shane Neaves

® Daniel Hughes

® Daniel Hayes

Beamer is contracted until next year.

Beamer is contracted until next year.

Good timing for Beamer, you'd have to say.

David Neitz (v)

Russell Robertson

Jared Rivers

Brock McLean

Brad Miller

Paul Wheatley

Ryan Ferguson

Colin Sylvia

James McDonald

Nathan Carroll

Nathan Jones

Paul Johnson

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Clint Bartram

Chris Johnson

Simon Godfrey

Daniel Ward

Matthew Warnock

Micheal Newton

Simon Buckley

Heath Neville

® Jace Bode

® Shane Neaves

® Daniel Hughes

® Daniel Hayes

Beamer is contracted until next year.

That's a guess not a fact. It's wrong for sure - Michael Newton is contracted for 2008 and that's just one example. Why post a list like that without any qualification? Like: "I think this is it" or "I read some guy on BigFooty who thinks this is it". The same thing happens with these lists like the draft order, some one regurgitates some crap and it it becomes a "fact". Notorious posters on Demonology have been perpetrating an incorrect out of contract list for a number of years now.

Trade Possibilities? Where to & for what?

Daniel Bell - Adelaide for first round draft pick / second round and a Victorian kid or perhaps third round plus Meesen?

Cameron Bruce - lower end of the first round in the draft / higher end second round (perhaps Hawthorn, Footscray, Brisbane) or perhaps Cameron Wood directly from the latter?

Chris A. Johnson - West Australian team, hopefully 3rd or 4th round of draft

Brad Miller - don't expect any offers, imagine he's under contract. Will stay on if so.

Colin Sylvia - first round draft pick or similar not-quite-there player from another's list (such as one of Hawthorn's current ruckmen, Fisher from Carlton, etc)

You are a deadset Goose. Absolute trash talk that you have completely fabricated with no thought what so ever.

That's a guess not a fact. It's wrong for sure - Michael Newton is contracted for 2008 and that's just one example. Why post a list like that without any qualification? Like: "I think this is it" or "I read some guy on BigFooty who thinks this is it". The same thing happens with these lists like the draft order, some one regurgitates some crap and it it becomes a "fact". Notorious posters on Demonology have been perpetrating an incorrect out of contract list for a number of years now.

I found it from this thread:

http://demonland.nozzs.org/forum/index.php...amp;hl=contract

Fark me for trying to help someone.

I found it from this thread:

http://demonland.nozzs.org/forum/index.php...amp;hl=contract

Fark me for trying to help someone.

That's exactly right, that list is wrong and the most you should have done was link to it in the first place, then at least people could make up their own mind about the value of a list that was "floating around". You're not "helping" anyone by posting incorrect information.

I found it from this thread:

http://demonland.nozzs.org/forum/index.php...amp;hl=contract

Fark me for trying to help someone.

You tried to help someone Madness, You are a monster!!!

My possible trades would be:

Johnstone + White to St. Kilda for their first round pick (No. 9)

Green + Bruce to Fremantle for their first round pick (No. 7)

This may seem harsh trading up Bruce, Green, White and Johnstone.Especially as trading White will leave us without a number 1 ruckman. However, White will retire within a couple of years and does anyone honestly believe we have what it takes to win a flag by then. I would suggest trading to St. Kilda and Fremantle as these are the only clubs in the bottom 8 who would consider themselves a chance to win a flag in the near future and would be looking to 'top up'. I mean, White, Johnstone, Bruce and Green are all quality players.

In the draft we could then pick up:

Pick 4: Henderson

Pick 7: Best available midfielder (hopefully, Ebert/Palmer)

Pick 9: Rance

Pick 20: McEvoy (if not available then we can hopefully pick up another quality midfield. e.g. Selwood

Then in the third round we could address our need for a ruckman by picking up Bellchambers

We should use our remaining picks to pick up the best player available and adopt the same method in the pre season draft.

This would leave us with a team looking something like this:

B: Whelan, Rance, Frawley

HB: Bell, Rivers, Petterd

C: Palmer/Ebert, Jones, Dunn

HF: Bate, Henderson, Sylvia

F: Davey, Neitz, Robertson

R: PJ, McLean, Bartram

I: Moloney, McDonald, Newton, McEvoy

My possible trades would be:

Johnstone + White to St. Kilda for their first round pick (No. 9)

Green + Bruce to Fremantle for their first round pick (No. 7)

This may seem harsh trading up Bruce, Green, White and Johnstone.Especially as trading White will leave us without a number 1 ruckman. However, White will retire within a couple of years and does anyone honestly believe we have what it takes to win a flag by then. I would suggest trading to St. Kilda and Fremantle as these are the only clubs in the bottom 8 who would consider themselves a chance to win a flag in the near future and would be looking to 'top up'. I mean, White, Johnstone, Bruce and Green are all quality players.

In the draft we could then pick up:

Pick 4: Henderson

Pick 7: Best available midfielder (hopefully, Ebert/Palmer)

Pick 9: Rance

Pick 20: McEvoy (if not available then we can hopefully pick up another quality midfield. e.g. Selwood

Then in the third round we could address our need for a ruckman by picking up Bellchambers

We should use our remaining picks to pick up the best player available and adopt the same method in the pre season draft.

This would leave us with a team looking something like this:

B: Whelan, Rance, Frawley

HB: Bell, Rivers, Petterd

C: Palmer/Ebert, Jones, Dunn

HF: Bate, Henderson, Sylvia

F: Davey, Neitz, Robertson

R: PJ, McLean, Bartram

I: Moloney, McDonald, Newton, McEvoy

I wouldnt like the dees chances if that backline came up against a St. Kilda side of this year or any team with big bodies up forward. Who would have taken Kosi, the G-train and St Nick? Just food for though.

I wouldnt like the dees chances if that backline came up against a St. Kilda side of this year or any team with big bodies up forward. Who would have taken Kosi, the G-train and St Nick? Just food for though.

in the short term the saints forwards would dominate, but if we pick up Rance our defense will be one of the stronger in the afl in 3 years time.

defense of the future...

Key defenders: Rance, Frawley, Rivers, Carrol

running backs: Bell, Pettard, Bartram, Wheatley (maybe Bode)...

everyone knows our defense is weak at the moment. we have to make changes if we are going to develop a great defense in 3 years time when we realistically can have a shot at the premiership.

people who advocate trading for another top 10 pick should be careful that we arent getting ripped off. for example trading green (our next captain imo) and Bruce (imo at his best is our best player by far) for pick 7 is rediculous. u dont trade 2 of ur best players for 1 top 10 pick. however if we traded one of them, for one top 10 pick, id consider it seriously.

trading for high draft picks often works in the favour of the team who gets the pick.

consider Woewoden for Bell...Woewoden is long gone and Bell in up n coming.

My possible trades would be:

Johnstone + White to St. Kilda for their first round pick (No. 9)

Green + Bruce to Fremantle for their first round pick (No. 7)

This may seem harsh trading up Bruce, Green, White and Johnstone.Especially as trading White will leave us without a number 1 ruckman. However, White will retire within a couple of years and does anyone honestly believe we have what it takes to win a flag by then. I would suggest trading to St. Kilda and Fremantle as these are the only clubs in the bottom 8 who would consider themselves a chance to win a flag in the near future and would be looking to 'top up'. I mean, White, Johnstone, Bruce and Green are all quality players.

In the draft we could then pick up:

Pick 4: Henderson

Pick 7: Best available midfielder (hopefully, Ebert/Palmer)

Pick 9: Rance

Pick 20: McEvoy (if not available then we can hopefully pick up another quality midfield. e.g. Selwood

Then in the third round we could address our need for a ruckman by picking up Bellchambers

We should use our remaining picks to pick up the best player available and adopt the same method in the pre season draft.

This would leave us with a team looking something like this:

B: Whelan, Rance, Frawley

HB: Bell, Rivers, Petterd

C: Palmer/Ebert, Jones, Dunn

HF: Bate, Henderson, Sylvia

F: Davey, Neitz, Robertson

R: PJ, McLean, Bartram

I: Moloney, McDonald, Newton, McEvoy

"This may seem harsh trading up Bruce, Green, White and Johnstone.Especially as trading White will leave us without a number 1 ruckman. However, White will retire within a couple of years and does anyone honestly believe we have what it takes to win a flag by then. I would suggest trading to St. Kilda and Fremantle as these are the only clubs in the bottom 8 who would consider themselves a chance to win a flag in the near future and would be looking to 'top up'. I mean, White, Johnstone, Bruce and Green are all quality players. I agree with you, but I think your combinations might need minimal tweaking."

These sides & also Carlton may just be interested in a deal. Add to the combo', Caroll, CJ or PJ. Carlton might like PJ, with Travis feeding the Fev. The Doggies might like White + Robbo/Bruce. Sainters might like a combo of White/PJ + Robbo.

We do need to build & freshen our list before we can be a serious challenger. This current list has allready peaked & is sliding.

just leave the list dont change to much but at the trade table lets go after back men to help out our weak link.

we have had a bad year with injurys and not a lot of them where soft tissue injurys.

My possible trades would be:

Johnstone + White to St. Kilda for their first round pick (No. 9)

Green + Bruce to Fremantle for their first round pick (No. 7)

This may seem harsh trading up Bruce, Green, White and Johnstone.Especially as trading White will leave us without a number 1 ruckman. However, White will retire within a couple of years and does anyone honestly believe we have what it takes to win a flag by then. I would suggest trading to St. Kilda and Fremantle as these are the only clubs in the bottom 8 who would consider themselves a chance to win a flag in the near future and would be looking to 'top up'. I mean, White, Johnstone, Bruce and Green are all quality players.

WHAT!!?!?!?!?!

I understand that ur trying to rebuild the club but WHAT?!?!? how would getting rid of Johnstone Green and Bruce the entire core of our midfield. I mean you are kidding yourself that Green and Bruce would only manage a first round pick, its been said before and im saying it now WHAT IS THE POINT IN TRADING JUST FOR TRADING especially if you come out second best!!! I also disagree with trading white what is the point of this, it leaves us with nothing and we have no midfield at all then we have a couple of youngsters finding there feet and beginning to find there feet with no one to show them the ropes.

These trades leaves us bare and without anything to gain but a couple of youngsters who may or may not make it and may take several years to develop while you get rid of 4 ready made players who are all leaders of melbourne.

I'm sorry i just don't see the logic in this trade

I wouldnt like the dees chances if that backline came up against a St. Kilda side of this year or any team with big bodies up forward. Who would have taken Kosi, the G-train and St Nick? Just food for though.

didnt g train retire?

and kosi will prob be out injured anyway...