Davey is not untouchable (very, very few, if any, are) but is highly unlikely.

Sorry QueenC Davey is untouchable, there a very few in the game with the ability to win a game off his own boot.

belzebub believes the sum of human intelligence is a constant,yeah and daniher will be coaching next year .not

The kid's all of 20 years old and was a first round draft pick. I'm as angry as anyone about last night but let's be sensible. Dunn has a hell of a lot of talent and deserves a lot more time to realise it.

I acknowledge he has potential and can play but for the right pick or trade it could be good... Dunn has played enough games like Bate to cement a spot. The difference Bate is a superstar and Dunn hasn’t made it yet....

Bate and Dunn were drafted together pick 12 & 14 respectively by memory but Bate is streets ahead.

Tough decisions need to be made for us to win a flag. Isn't that what were playing for?

Also get rid of Neville. I know he’s young but as a Tasmanian i had never heard of him when he was drafted and he hasn’t even played much footy for the Sandy ones. Not AFL material.

guyz like godfrey, ferguson, holland and ward have zero trade value.

last year ward, ferguson and others were offered for trade. nobody was interested.

the guyz who might have 3rd 4th round value include miller and jamar. if someone wants them for that price we should definitely take it, because otherwize they will just be delisted and we'll get nothing for them.

if we want to get a serious player into the club then guyz like davey, bruce or green have to put up for trade. people must get real. if u want quality you have to be willing to trade quality.

i also think we should looking at getting some better, younger depth players. i wouldnt be averse to getting a couple of fringe players from the top afl clubs who cant get a game this year.

i think i guy like Nicoski (WCE), Ryley Dunn (Freo), Ryan Murphy (Freo), Kane Tenace (geelong), Shannon Byrnes (geelong), Jaymie Graham (WCE) could be much better depth than our current list outside our best 22, plus they are young and can improve.

Let me ask you.

In regards to Tenace. Are Geelong more liable to trade him or Prismall?

My believe is that Brent Prismall will become an elite midfielder but has he been given enough game time at Geelong because of their current standing? and are they keen to hold on to him or will he be used as trade bait?

Sorry QueenC Davey is untouchable, there a very few in the game with the ability to win a game off his own boot.

disagree. davey is a front runner. yes he has pace, yes he can break lines, but he wont win the game if the rest of the team is being beaten. brock could get under and lift the team. michael voss could do that. pavlich or judd can do that. davey is not in the class of these players, and is therefore up for trade if the right deal comes.

The difference Bate is a superstar and Dunn hasn’t made it yet....

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_play...2&pid2=1498

here is a link with a stat comparison of the two. yes bate is playing good footy at the moment and dunn hasnt cemented a spot but dunn is 20 and has played 17 games. remember there are people here who want miller retained and he has played 85 or something. bate is not a superstar. he averages 17 disposals and 1 goal per game. that makes him a promising kid. nothing more. miller was called a superstar before he was due. use your words more carefully. the kid has potential, he doesnt even have consistency yet.

Take out Davey and put in Jones and you're just about right.

Bruce and TJ should absolutely be put on the table. Green and Davey are not safe either.

Trading a big name player now, will get us something good. Don't wait till it's too late, the way we did with Yze.

Be tough and you might pull off another Shane Woewodin deal.

I don't care who coaches us next year, as long as they are PROACTIVE.

If they have the balls to put our big name players up on the trading table, then they will also have the balls to shake this team to the core and we will hopefully never see a repeat of tonight.

Jaded, I can't believe you and the other posters would want to trade our best and fairest player in Cameron Bruce. He is a cert to win this year's award and never plays a bad game. Dumb thinking! Imagine Eagles supporters suggesting that Judd should be traded for an UNKNOWN ,Unproved first round pick. First round picks don't always make it to the highest level. I really wish people would get off Cameron's back. He runs his guts out week after week.

Our opinions on who should be traded will be more formed at the end of the season, but a couple of points:

1. I'm not against trading Bruce for the right price, but if he wins this year's Best and Fairest, how many players have ever been traded immediately after winning a B & F, and how would this reflect on the club?

2. I'm not up for trading Johnstone. In my opinion the most unfairly underrated Melbourne player in my time following the club. Our best finals player of the past decade, and if winning a flag any time soon is our aim, then you don't give those players away.

Jaded, I can't believe you and the other posters would want to trade our best and fairest player in Cameron Bruce. He is a cert to win this year's award and never plays a bad game. Dumb thinking! Imagine Eagles supporters suggesting that Judd should be traded for an UNKNOWN ,Unproved first round pick. First round picks don't always make it to the highest level. I really wish people would get off Cameron's back. He runs his guts out week after week.

There is just so much wrong with this post!

Firstly, he is no certainty to win the B&F.

Secondly, he never plays a bad game? He plays plenty of bad games. The last two weeks for example. On the stat sheet he never plays a bad game, but in reality, his kicking and decision making has been letting him down for a while now.

Then there is the comparison with Judd... laughable!

Also, I never suggested trading him for an unknown, I'd only trade him for a top 10 pick or an established player.

He is 27, by the time we'll challenge for a flag, he'll most likely be 30... maybe older. Capitalise on his market price now, before it drops dramatically.

And if gut running makes you untouchable, please be sure to ring Simon Godfrey and let him know.

2. I'm not up for trading Johnstone. In my opinion the most unfairly underrated Melbourne player in my time following the club. Our best finals player of the past decade, and if winning a flag any time soon is our aim, then you don't give those players away.

I agree to a certain extent.

TJ wouldn't be top of my list either, but I wouldn't hesitate too much if the right deal came along.

The bottom line is, he won't ever reach his full potential, he is prone to bouts of laziness, and his body is hit and miss.

He is also not getting any younger.

The players I would least like to trade, are those under 23 who have shown really good signs. And I'm not just talking about the obvious ones like McLean and Rivers. I'm talking about Bartram, Bate, Sylvia, Petterd, Frawley etc... They are the future and we now need to build a team around them, not around the likes of Bruce, Green or TJ.

He is 27, by the time we'll challenge for a flag, he'll most likely be 30... maybe older. Capitalise on his market price now, before it drops dramatically.

It's all about the McLean, Bate & co. era.

When they're ~26 he'll be be 31, so I tend to agree.

Lay off Bruce you pathetic magots. He is by far our best player, he trys week in week out and all you do is bag him. I hate all you dogs.

It's all about the McLean, Bate & co. era.

When they're ~26 he'll be be 31, so I tend to agree.

McLean is 21.

Bruce is 27.

When McLean is 26, Bruce might not even be playing anymore.

To make it easier I'll do a list of players I'd KEEP:

McLean

Frawley

Sylvia

Jones

Bate

P Johnson

Bartram

Moloney

Davey

Rivers

Bell

Petterd

Robbo

Neita

I'd be willing to trade any other player on the list.

To make it easier I'll do a list of players I'd KEEP:

I'd be willing to trade any other player on the list.

The thing is though DM, that every player has a price. If you were offered well above market value for anyone you'd have to consider it. Paul Johnson? We offloaded Jolly for a first round pick a couple of years ago. If you got something similar or better for PJ you'd have to be ready to pull the trigger, especially if we land Kreuzer in the draft.

Obviously a bloke like Neita isn't going anywhere, and if you traded Robbo you'd probably have about 15,000 members storm the G with torches and pitchforks and level the place, but you have to consider offers for anyone. Some offers you'll spend longer considering than others. For example, any offer for Brock McLean that doesn't include the name Chris Judd would probably be considered for about the time it takes for a soundwave to be processed from the ear to the brain before being rejected.

A major problem for us at the moment though is that a lot of players will be at their lowest market value or close to it.

Lay off Bruce you pathetic magots. He is by far our best player, he trys week in week out and all you do is bag him. I hate all you dogs.

and i would still trade him if we were offered a top 10 pick and a half decent player. why? not because i dont like him, but because by trading for picks now we are more likely to win a premiership. bruce is now becoming part of the older group yet still has high market value. by getting a high draft pick you get a chance to add to the 18-22 yo group who will hopefully challenge for a flag.

we wont do this if we cant get anything good. and we wont do this unless its part of an overall strategy to get a number of low draft picks but if we want to rebuild that is how you do it.

Things to aim for -

Players: Judd, Riewolt, Ball all seem likely to be available.

Picks: get em high or leave em low - I'd trade to upgrade from pick 30 to 15, for instance, and would trade pick 30 to move pick 19 to pick 10. Did that sentence make sense?

I think our best bet for getting Judd is to keep our very early pick (I'd never get rid of one of them, to be honest) and try to trade players like Miller/Jamar for a second round pick, then trade a major player (thinking Johnstone), and possibly two second round picks to get Judd. Go on, someone tell me we wouldn't be coming out ahead.

I still believe in persevering with Green/Bruce/Robertson. I think the way they respond to a new coach (excuse the assumption) would be a very imortant thing to watch.

Come to think of it, Miller might finally feel released and step up at CHF/FF if the response to a new coach was positive enough.

I don't think there are many younger players who should be traded, beyond Jamar, Miller and Ferguson, and all of these I think could have decent careers from a restart at a new club.

What I DO think is that all of those 'veteran' players who never quite make the extra step up need to have an element of performance contracts, or a plain and simple pay cut. There's some vanity there, built on daydreaming about how "we were so good and we came so close. Might be lasting psych damage from 2000 when frankly we did so well but there was never really a chance we'd take home the Permiership, not against the machine that was Essendon 2000.

A new coaching panel (I would not settle for blaming Daniher for the whole mess) could make a big difference to psyche, and we might even lose a disgruntled player or two but I'd pay that price to see that excellent, excellent crop of young players grow freely in a club that feels like it belongs to them.

bit harsh on godfrey has had a good year till tonight

I think he may still of led us for possessions. Of course only 7% were effective

Jaded, I can't believe you and the other posters would want to trade our best and fairest player in Cameron Bruce. He is a cert to win this year's award and never plays a bad game. Dumb thinking! Imagine Eagles supporters suggesting that Judd should be traded for an UNKNOWN ,Unproved first round pick. First round picks don't always make it to the highest level. I really wish people would get off Cameron's back. He runs his guts out week after week.

I agree somewhat Bobby. The fact is that Bruce has been in our best players more often than anyone else in the last 5 years. That would suggest he is our best and most consistent player. Whether he stacks up as such amongst the rest of the competitions elite is a a damning fact against the club and not the player IMO.

If he was able to settle in 1 position and had 2 or 3 other players of superior skill he would probably be of even more value to us. The fact is he is not Chris Judd or James Hird or Nathan Buckley and I am willing to be he is not being paid as such. He is a good player and what we have, I doubt trading him will improve us dramatically if at all unless another club gets sucked in completely

I agree, Godfrey has been good. I also think Ward is good value, thought he was good on Brown. Has beaten most of his opponents this year and provides a lacking pace in our backline.

The thing is though DM, that every player has a price. If you were offered well above market value for anyone you'd have to consider it. Paul Johnson? We offloaded Jolly for a first round pick a couple of years ago. If you got something similar or better for PJ you'd have to be ready to pull the trigger, especially if we land Kreuzer in the draft.

Obviously a bloke like Neita isn't going anywhere, and if you traded Robbo you'd probably have about 15,000 members storm the G with torches and pitchforks and level the place, but you have to consider offers for anyone. Some offers you'll spend longer considering than others. For example, any offer for Brock McLean that doesn't include the name Chris Judd would probably be considered for about the time it takes for a soundwave to be processed from the ear to the brain before being rejected.

A major problem for us at the moment though is that a lot of players will be at their lowest market value or close to it.

Of course I'd consider it, but the likelihood of that in todays age where players are analysed to the point the opposition know as much as we do is very minimal.

2morrow.... i wlll have a post that may just welll get me banned from this site...

but i think we should Trade brock mclean he is as overated as heath shaw if not the most overrated player in the comp..... could get judd easier with him

hes done nothing to be called a captain ...... and the fact all u idiots call him a hero is laughable....

ST KILDA vs MELB the game we should have lost.....

THE GAME BROCK should not have got a [censored] WEAK FREE KICK

the GAME WHERE There was one player better than him... and u guys want to trade him

PACK OF IDIOTS

BTW jaded..... "there is not certainty hes leading/win our BF?"

thats because there must be (......) like some people on this site deciding the votes.... do u suppose daniel bell is still leading ?

2morrow.... i wlll have a post that may just welll get me banned from this site...

but i think we should Trade brock mclean he is as overated as heath shaw if not the most overrated player in the comp..... could get judd easier with him

hes done nothing to be called a captain ...... and the fact all u idiots call him a hero is laughable....

ST KILDA vs MELB the game we should have lost.....

THE GAME BROCK should not have got a [censored] WEAK FREE KICK

the GAME WHERE There was one player better than him... and u guys want to trade him

PACK OF IDIOTS

BTW jaded..... "there is not certainty hes leading/win our BF?"

thats because there must be (......) like some people on this site deciding the votes.... do u suppose daniel bell is still leading ?

I don't agree with alot of your stuff but I like your passion

It is obvious that we need another strong forward (amongst other positions!!)

My mail is Riewoldt is very unhappy at St Kilda. Would the Saints take Miller and another player (Frawley?, Travis?, Jamar?) in exchange for Riewoldt? Worth consideration?

Another option would be to target J Brown from the Lions. Send Miller back to Queensland together with another higher profile player.

One J Brown would certainly add some much needed oomph to our forward line.

PS I am a Miller fan and believe he is much maligned - however he really hasn't taken that next step - as Jack Dwyer would have said - he is a good ordinary player

to be honest i wouldn't care to see the back of bruce. i really like him as a guy and as an athlete, but a footballer i just don't see it, he is the one player who frustrates me. if we should like him because he can run hard in games then we should draft craig mottram, otherwise realise there's more to footy than running and statistics. i believe he loves the club but i don't think he'll take us to where we want to get to.

cue unintelligble rant from BB

If players like Bruce and Trav are so bad in some peoples eyes why are they so heavily tagged each week.

Other clubs see their merit so why cant you all.

but i think we should Trade brock mclean he is as overated as heath shaw if not the most overrated player in the comp..... could get judd easier with him

Read my signature and pipe down.

Brock McLean is one of the most influential players in the AFL, and he has only played 50 games.

I find it laughable that you can compare a 27 year old with 150+ games experience to a 21 year old who has played 51. Goes to show you how much of a quality player McLean already is.

much can be made of not so much what we Dees think of either Brocky or Cam, but how the opposition treat them. Suffice to say Wallace chose to shut Brock down with additional minders and not Bruce.