4 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

The Stats Files post looks a bit different now with the site update.

Thanks Wheelo. Are the pressure point and team pressure ratings in the latest GC post and i just can't see them or still to come?

10 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Thanks Wheelo. Are the pressure point and team pressure ratings in the latest GC post and i just can't see them or still to come?

The pressure ratings are only accessible in the Herald Sun the day after a match. I will aim to do the initial stats files post on the day of the game (except for night games) and then post the pressure ratings the following day. And here they are.

Also, I haven't worked out if/how you can embed tables with different formatting with the new version of the site.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	173	154	+19
2	178	179	-1
3	164	181	-17
4	180	187	-7
Match	174	175	-1

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Clayton Oliver	25	63	52.7
Jack Viney	20	47	41.0
Ed Langdon	19	40	37.3
Tom Sparrow	16	39	40.7
Harvey Langford	15	34	19.5
Christian Salem	13	33	29.3
Christian Petracca	13	32	29.0
Kade Chandler	15	31	40.3
Aidan Johnson	11	31	37.0
Harrison Petty	11	27	16.7
Trent Rivers	13	26	28.3
Tom McDonald	12	25	18.3
Jack Henderson	13	24	30.0
Bayley Fritsch	8	23	21.0
Jake Bowey	13	22	28.7
Harry Sharp	14	22	22.3
Max Gawn	8	21	18.3
Blake Howes	10	20	17.3
Jacob van Rooyen	8	19	23.0
Jack Billings	6	16	16.0
Jake Melksham	4	12	12.0
Steven May	1	1	1.0
Xavier Lindsay	0	0	36.0

Source: Herald Sun

Could someone tell me:

• which stat shows first touch/possession at stoppage (not necessarily a clearance)

• which stat shows first possession after the above

TIA

The AFL average for converting first possession into a clearance is 75% this season. Melbourne wins the clearance just 65% of the time (18th) they get first hands on the ball (2024: 72% - 18th)

Melbourne's opponents are at 85% - also 18th (2024: 79% - 18th)

Melbourne was 12th for both in 2021 so we weren't clean in this area even then.

50 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

The AFL average for converting first possession into a clearance is 75% this season. Melbourne wins the clearance just 65% of the time (18th) they get first hands on the ball (2024: 72% - 18th)

Melbourne's opponents are at 85% - also 18th (2024: 79% - 18th)

Melbourne was 12th for both in 2021 so we weren't clean in this area even then.

Thank you. That is what I feared.

It suggests our stoppage method has two issues. Even if 1) we get first touch, which we no longer seem good at 2) we can't get it to someone on the outside.

1) seems partly because Max sadly, is no longer being able to jump well, which is not surprising given his leg and back issues in recent times. And our mids have become too reliant on him and not learnt to shark the opp ruckman whereas the opps shark Max.

2) seems because our mids just bomb it out by foot and they don't seem to handball it out much anymore. Whether it is because they panic or our method doesn't have players on the outside it is difficult to tell. Certainly opps have beaten us on the outside at stoppages for years as 12th in 2021 indicates.

I think 1) and 2) is 'the method' Goodwin is referring to that they need to fix.

In the past the quality of the players was enough to overcome deficiencies in method. That is no longer the case. I just hope coaches and players sort it out quickly.

9 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

The pressure ratings are only accessible in the Herald Sun the day after a match. I will aim to do the initial stats files post on the day of the game (except for night games) and then post the pressure ratings the following day. And here they are.

Also, I haven't worked out if/how you can embed tables with different formatting with the new version of the site.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	173	154	+19
2	178	179	-1
3	164	181	-17
4	180	187	-7
Match	174	175	-1

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Clayton Oliver	25	63	52.7
Jack Viney	20	47	41.0
Ed Langdon	19	40	37.3
Tom Sparrow	16	39	40.7
Harvey Langford	15	34	19.5
Christian Salem	13	33	29.3
Christian Petracca	13	32	29.0
Kade Chandler	15	31	40.3
Aidan Johnson	11	31	37.0
Harrison Petty	11	27	16.7
Trent Rivers	13	26	28.3
Tom McDonald	12	25	18.3
Jack Henderson	13	24	30.0
Bayley Fritsch	8	23	21.0
Jake Bowey	13	22	28.7
Harry Sharp	14	22	22.3
Max Gawn	8	21	18.3
Blake Howes	10	20	17.3
Jacob van Rooyen	8	19	23.0
Jack Billings	6	16	16.0
Jake Melksham	4	12	12.0
Steven May	1	1	1.0
Xavier Lindsay	0	0	36.0

Source: Herald Sun

Yes i figured that you were sourcing from the HUN intitially but may have garnered a work around in the last season or so and managed to put it in your main post but we couldn't see it due to the upgrade.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Both Teams were well under the AFL average of approx 185 through the entire match which may well infer that neither team is bringing AFL level heat on its opponent.

Another major worry for us for when we do run into teams that bring the average... or better, for much of a match.

Confirming we do not bring pressure acceptable pressure enough of the time and will probably wilt even more when we run into the better rated opposition clubs that do bring AFL average or better.

We are so far off the mark at present i reckon we might struggle against one or two of the highest rated VFL, SANFL and/or WAFL teams when they're at their very best.

We do have some solid players hopefully returning here over the coming weeks so things could improve but one wonders whether it will be anywhere near enough to turn things around substantially and see us starting to post more Ws than Ls.

Edited Sunday at 06:253 days by Demon Dynasty

Round 3, 2025 MCG - Demons vs Sons

Bare with me fellow minions as i have no idea how the new update will treat any of these tables.

Hopefully not as badly as the opening to our 2025 season (so far).

THE GOOD NEWS

Our Team Rating indicates we were only approx 2% away from our average Team Rating from 2024. Of course that needs to be tempered with the realisation that we only finished 14th.

> After a review of my ratings table from last week, i uncovered a formula error in the Team Ratings which resulted in the Top 6 Rating vs Nth being incorrect.

Our Top 6 has in fact had a major improvement over 2024's results. By roughly 21% - 22% (on average) in all three matches including against the Suns. Why is that good news you may ask. Well because the Bottom 6 is the complete opposite and is letting the team down in a massive way so far. Namely by 37% vs the Giants, 47% vs North and 40% vs the Suns.

The chances of winning pretty much any AFL match with that sort of return from your bottom 6 must be very low.

So the upside beckons on the return of higher rated experienced players which, in theory, should see us become much more competitive and improve our prospects of posting a few wins. We should temper any enthusiasm there though with the fact that the Suns' Top 6 Rating was a long way ahead of our Top 6 which may be a indication that their top end is a fair way ahead of ours at present.

THE NOT SO GOOD NEWS

Our overall Team Rating was 7% off that of the Suns. Their rating (68.6) very close to our average for 2023 (69.8). Still a fair chunk to make up here.

Worse is the fact we were also approx 9% off our 2023 rating vs the Suns. As a team you probably aren't going to make that up in one week of training or even with a few experienced quality players returning. But we might be able to chip away at it over the next 4 to 6 weeks with a bit of injury luck and a few more senior players finding their best form.

Tracc being one of those. We desperately need to get him back to somewhere near his 2024 average if we're to have a chance of bridging the gap. In his first three matches he has statistically been way off his 2024 levels of output but with signs of life in his last outing! ...

Vs the Giants -28%

Vs North -52%

Vs The Suns -17%

Not often you see Bowey heading the Player Ratings! Well done son. A huge improvement on his 2024 average.

Langford arrives with a BANG! That is an early Clarryesque performance from the young fella. Ranking in the top 5 at this early stage is a special result indeed.

Speaking of Clazz that is also not a bad effort, following on from his Number 1 BOG Rating last week against North. While a fair way off that performance, i thought he did pretty well in patches. All strength to our champ from here and fingers crossed.

Demons

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> Subbed in TOG %

The Suns

I have no idea who the Suns brought on for Holman as sub. Any assistance here would be appreciated please...

Combined Team Ratings

Edited Sunday at 07:183 days by Demon Dynasty

Edit: ..."The Sun's Top 6 Rating was substantially ahead of our Top 6 Rating"....

*To be more precise, nearly 11% ahead

That was a better effort DD we had 7 of the top 14 players lead by Bowey ( brilliant effort), Clarry followed by Langford🦬🔥, Langdon & TMac. Their three dominators Rowell, Miller & Anderson killed us in the midfield. Can’t wait to see Langford, Windsor, Lindsay and Tholstrup in the same team. Max was excepting R1 but has really dropped off in R2-3, we are missing his dominance and marking power around the ground.

13 hours ago, DeeZone said:

That was a better effort DD we had 7 of the top 14 players lead by Bowey ( brilliant effort), Clarry followed by Langford🦬🔥, Langdon & TMac. Their three dominators Rowell, Miller & Anderson killed us in the midfield. Can’t wait to see Langford, Windsor, Lindsay and Tholstrup in the same team. Max was excepting R1 but has really dropped off in R2-3, we are missing his dominance and marking power around the ground.

Better but only off a very big low against the Roos im afraid DZ.

As per 2024, there is so far, just too much being left to too few.

And no semblance of any method / manner in which we are trying to play the game. There's just nothing there to hold our hat on and say "i can see what they're looking to build" or "we just need to fill these two or three holes with better players coming back from injury" (or trade them in mid-season or year's end).

Also can you tell me one aspect of our game and OF the game of Aussie Rules that we look good / strong at please? I can't see it.

Maybe our season starts this week against the Cats and we'll pull off a miraculous upset. There's absolutely zero expectations from anyone so there is no external pressure at all that's for sure.

14 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Edit: ..."The Sun's Top 6 Rating was substantially ahead of our Top 6 Rating"....

*To be more precise, nearly 11% ahead

That at the end of the day is what matters. Our Top 6 vs theirs. Our reliable A-Graders (premiership players) were just nowhere. Have been nowhere.

On 29/03/2025 at 17:16, WheeloRatings said:

The Stats Files post looks a bit different now with the site update.

@WheeloRatings what's curious is your tables from the first two rounds look ok

Perhaps copy those tables and cut and paste in data for new matches with plain text?

29 minutes ago, binman said:

@WheeloRatings what's curious is your tables from the first two rounds look ok

Perhaps copy those tables and cut and paste in data for new matches with plain text?

Yeah previous posts are fine, but any new tables pasted into the editor are converted to standard tables. I have tried pasting the old tables into the editor and they don't retain the original formatting.