9 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I'd agree... and will be further wasted if we don't change path.. just my opinion.... of course

Again, players are responsible for their own form, kicking for goal, going hard at the contest etc etc

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we need to overhaul the list and reboot

And don't forget that Goodwin stays because of his contract, so you and others are stuck with him no matter how much he might annoy you

On 28/06/2025 at 16:42, Bombay Airconditioning said:

We beat the Lions and probably should have beaten the Pies.

Not every Collingwood player is an elite kick or a gun player, we have our fair share of talent but we lack a relevant gameplan and purpose.

Goodwin must be removed before players start ringing their agents asking them to start fielding offers.

We can play finals next year but we need change now.

That covers it well BA.

Just now, Macca said:

Again, players are responsible for their own form, kicking for goal, going hard at the contest etc etc

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we need to overhaul the list and reboot

And don't forget that Goodwin stays because of his contract, so you and others are stuck with him no matter how much he might annoy you

Don't be so sure

We aren't winning much more for the year.

The Elephants in the room will be loud.

Lots of prognosticators and finger pointing on this thread. I think we’re 2 years into a 3-year transformation to address the issues that plagued us in 22-23. In that time we’ve recruited Windsor, Kolt, Langford and Lindsay all quick skilled ball users, that indicates the FD is rectifying our poor ball use. Parallel to this we are developing 2 high draft tall forwards in JVR and Jeffo, both whom had great promise but have been slow to bloom at AFL level.

Both of these two strategies will take time to bear fruit.

In the meanwhile we’re evolving the rest of the team to leverage our new kids, meet the evolving AFL game and milk the remaining years from our genuine (but aging) stars.

Year 3, next year is when it will click, and unfortunately we just need to hold our nerve till then.

Only the absence of a plan to improve us would warrant Goody’s removal.

Edited Friday at 00:034 days by PaulRB

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Again, players are responsible for their own form, kicking for goal, going hard at the contest etc etc

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we need to overhaul the list and reboot

And don't forget that Goodwin stays because of his contract, so you and others are stuck with him no matter how much he might annoy you

See there lies the problem if we are keeping Goodwin only because he has a contract for 2026 then we doomed. As the old saying goes doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is madness. It's time to make the call.

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Don't be so sure

We aren't winning much more for the year.

The Elephants in the room will be loud.

We'll win a couple/few more games and that will be that

Sacking Goidwin is not a story in the mainstream media. It's all about Voss & Carlton

And us beating Brisbane & running the Pies close kept the wolves at bay back a month ago

Every win prolongs Goodwin's tenure, that's how it works

3 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Lots of prognosticators and finger pointing on this thread. I think we’re 2 years into a 3-year transformation to address the issues that plagued us in 22-23. In that time we’ve recruited Windsor, Kolt, Langford and Lindsay all quick skilled ball users, that indicates the FD is rectifying our poor ball use. Parallel to this we are developing 2 high draft tall forwards in JVR and Jeffo, both whom had great promise but have been slow to bloom at AFL level.

Both of these two strategies will take time to bear fruit.

In the meanwhile we’re evolving the rest of the team to leverage our new kids, meet the evolving AFL game and milk the remaining years from our genuine (but aging) stars.

Year 3, next year is when it will click, and unfortunately we just need to hold our nerve till then.

Only the absence of a plan to improve us would warrant Goody’s removal.

JVR might yet be a good KPF if they would let me play the position. He spends more time in the ruck and off the ground than playing as a forward. We are murdering him. Jefferson will never be a KPF at senior level. Some players move forward from there junior days others don't. It's time to change!

1 minute ago, old dee said:

See there lies the problem if we are keeping Goodwin only because he has a contract for 2026 then we doomed. As the old saying goes doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is madness. It's time to make the call.

They won't waste $2.7Million by sacking Goodwin old dee, not going to happen. Follow the money

Sometime next season is a real possibility though but only if we keep losing

If we were losing to Neeldesque type proportions, you'd have a good point

And in my view, the membership drop-off can be attributed to the players not giving a yelp

If we sack Goodwin anytime soon we'll be posting a net loss in the financials. I can't see the new CEO making that sort of decision just as he has put his feet under the desk

Edited Friday at 00:164 days by Macca

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

We'll win a couple/few more games and that will be that

Sacking Goidwin is not a story in the mainstream media. It's all about Voss & Carlton

And us beating Brisbane & running the Pies close kept the wolves at bay back a month ago

Every win prolongs Goodwin's tenure, that's how it works

Macca only a miracle will get us more than 2 more wins this year

Which will leave us in a similar spot to last year. On that basis we have shown no improvement during season 2025. If not sooner than years end the media will be baying for blood. Now you should not run your club club because of the media but imo they will be correct in suggesting we are going nowhere and change is needed at the top.

15 minutes ago, Macca said:

We'll win a couple/few more games and that will be that

Sacking Goidwin is not a story in the mainstream media. It's all about Voss & Carlton

And us beating Brisbane & running the Pies close kept the wolves at bay back a month ago

Every win prolongs Goodwin's tenure, that's how it works

There's reality in and amongst that without doubt.

Just suppose .. we beat Blues and Weagles ( maybe as we are talking Melbourne...and both Eagles and Carlton are just as capable of spanking a team who think they've already got the chokkies ) .. but let's say. That's 7 wins... hell let's throw in another for the sake of discussion. 8 wins. 3 LESS than 24.

The trajectory is indisputable.

Straight sets, straight sets, fail, dismal fail......

The drums will be deafening...

12 minutes ago, Macca said:

They won't waste $2.7Million by sacking Goodwin old dee, not going to happen. Follow the money

Sometime next season is a real possibility though but only if we keep losing

If we were losing to Neeldesque type proportions, you'd have a good point

And in my view, the membership drop-off can be attributed to the players not giving a yelp

If we sack Goodwin anytime soon we'll be posting a net loss in the financials. I can't see the new CEO making that sort of decision just as he has put his feet under the desk

Excuse my ignorance but I thought he is only contracted for next year. Is that incorrect?

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

They won't waste $2.7Million by sacking Goodwin old dee, not going to happen. Follow the money

Sometime next season is a real possibility though but only if we keep losing

If we were losing to Neeldesque type proportions, you'd have a good point

And in my view, the membership drop-off can be attributed to the players not giving a yelp

If we sack Goodwin anytime soon we'll be posting a net loss in the financials. I can't see the new CEO making that sort of decision just as he has put his feet under the desk

Mate.. stop this 2.7 malarkey.. ffs it was only 2.5 yesterday lol.

You're pulling numbers out your proverbial

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Mate.. stop this 2.7 malarkey.. ffs it was only 2.5 yesterday lol.

You're pulling numbers out your proverbial

Do some research

Edited Friday at 00:344 days by Macca

If we sacked Goodwin now we'd have to pay him for this year and next year ... and he is on at least $1Million per season. Could be $1.2Million per season

Plus, we'd incur the FD tax which is 75% with a maximum payout of $750k

On this thread, the payout has been widely talked about with links surrounding the payout figure. It's not news

On 28/06/2025 at 16:42, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Not every Collingwood player is an elite kick or a gun player, we have our fair share of talent but we lack a relevant gameplan and purpose.

Goodwin must be removed before players start ringing their agents asking them to start fielding offers.

I have said this many times and its still true.

Their players understand exactly what to do when they get the ball. they run to space. We simply dont do that. Pie players knw exactly where to kick or HB it and presto a pie player is there. They don't have to be accurate with their kicking (tho they do have some v good kicks). they kick to ADVANTAGE of their player running into space.

Our players appear to be braindead with ball in hand because their team mates don't run to space and the ball is kicked to a pressure situation more often than not.

Coaching 101.

As for our fwd line, everyone here has lamented for years our inability to run at the ball carrier. It can be nothing else but to instructions. We have talked about connection for 5 years FFS. When Viney Trac and oliver stream out of the middle they rarely chip a kick in front of a leading fwd.

Coaching 101.

Poor JvR is being roo-ined before our eyes. But he NEVER runs at the ball carrier. He stands at the back and tries to body the backmen. Fritsch rarely runs at the ball carrier.

Thats why Collingwood look good. And its why we are [censored]. And if players arent doing what the coach wants by now its the coaches fault.

IT'S 90% COACHING

Edited Friday at 00:564 days by jnrmac

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I have said this many times and its still true.

Their players understand exactly what to do when they get the ball. they run to space. We simply dont do that. Pie players knw exactly where to kick or HB it and presto a pie player is there. They don't have to be accurate with their kicking (tho they do have some v good kicks). they kick to ADVANTAGE of their player running into space.

Our players appear to be braindead with ball in hand because their team mates don't run to space and the ball is kicked to a pressure situation more often than not.

Coaching 101.

As for our fwd line, everyone here has lamented for years our inability to run at the ball carrier. It can be nothing else but to instructions. We have talked about connection for 5 years FFS. When Viney Trac and oliver stream out of the middle they rarely chip a kick in front of a leading fwd.

Coaching 101.

Poor JvR is being roo-ined before our eyes. But he NEVER runs at the ball carrier. He stands at the back and tries to body the backmen. Fritsch rarely runs at the ball carrier.

Thats why Collingwood look good. And its why we are [censored].

Not against us they didn't. We made them look ordinary for most of the game.
Our defensive work would have been lauded if we kicked straight and got the result.

There are multiple factors at play here, many relate back to Simon.

Goodwin is a limited coach, I don't think hes the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't really stray too far from what he knows, the message has gone stale. His selections fuel poor culture issues.

Our best players, or media driven A graders, are our worst disposers, Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Lever, Gawn. Max gets a pass due to everything else he does though.

Jones, while a club champion in most supporters eyes, wasn't the greatest user of the ball himself and lost near enough to 2/3 of the games he played for Melbourne in his career, seems like a PR choice.

List management, players getting monstrous contracts, players getting extensions who play VFL and may never play AFL.

We have been screaming for KPF's for years, yet struggled to lure any, it's not like we haven't got the cash (or had). There have been options (before anyone mentions there isn't) There is nothing to kick to.

We will win the odd game if we kick straight or get an opponent at their weakest, as we saw earlier in the year. However it is going to be the same same with Goodwin and the club need to decide when to pull the trigger, memberships have plummeted, he needs to go.

Luckily we have enough good youngsters to build the next list around, however a new coach and KPF's, plus clean out of the club is needed to move forward in a fresh way.

20 minutes ago, Macca said:

Could be $1.2Million per season

That is an extraordinarily high salary for the product we see week in week out.

But then I realise Clarry is being paid in that neighbourhood as well (maybe a bit less)....so...

The fickle nature of opinions after a loss (or a win, to be fair) is why I don't buy into these "sack everyone" hang wringing sessions.

We lost our best shot at a flag since 2021 in 2023 after being cruelled by terribly timed injuries on the eve of finals, and Maynard.
It was ours for the taking.

Win that and this thread probably doesn't even exist and opinions/views on various players, tactics and so forth would be completely different, even though the various players, tactics and so forth are exactly the same.

34 minutes ago, Macca said:

If we sacked Goodwin now we'd have to pay him for this year and next year ... and he is on at least $1Million per season. Could be $1.2Million per season

Plus, we'd incur the FD tax which is 75% with a maximum payout of $750k

On this thread, the payout has been widely talked about with links surrounding the payout figure. It's not news

So we rinse and repeat 2024 and 2025 Macca that is the most depressing thing I have heard this year. I think I will go back to bed and pull the Donna over my head. Come and get me when the nightmare is over.

12 minutes ago, SFebes said:

We have been screaming for KPF's for years, yet struggled to lure any, it's not like we haven't got the cash (or had). There have been options (before anyone mentions there isn't) There is nothing to kick to.

Cartlon have Curnow and McKay to kick to.
How have they been going lately?

A new shiny KPF is not the golden ticket.
We need to fix the way it's getting to them

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

So we rinse and repeat 2024 and 2025 Macca that is the most depressing thing I have heard this year. I think I will go back to bed and pull the Donna over my head. Come and get me when the nightmare is over.

OD, you dirty old man! I hope Donna is your wife’s name.

17 minutes ago, JTR said:

Not against us they didn't. We made them look ordinary for most of the game.
Our defensive work would have been lauded if we kicked straight and got the result.

But the simple fact is we didn't win. And have played like a 14th placed team ever since. The ladder position says it all. Are we forgetting we lost the first 6 games. The results over the season show us in 14th. That us a rightful position.

4 minutes ago, JTR said:

Cartlon have Curnow and McKay to kick to.
How have they been going lately?

A new shiny KPF is not the golden ticket.
We need to fix the way it's getting to them

Doing both wouldn’t hurt.

2 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

OD, you dirty old man! I hope Donna is your wife’s name.

Hmm now you have started a thought pattern that has not happened in some time NC.