6 hours ago, Van Demons Land said:

Having closely studied MFC over the past couple of years I'm convinced that they have become the most predictable team in the AFL. By this I mean that the majority of other teams have Melbourne worked out and have implemented successful opposing strategies and tactics. An example of predictable patterns are as follows: 1. Jake Lever deciding to take on his opponent on foot, only to get caught holding the ball. 2. Getting the ball inside the opposition 50 regularly, only to fail at achieving a goal. 3. Defence, defence, defence 4. The Harrison Petty forward experiment. 5. Inconsistent hot and cold form of individual players (Chandler, Turner, Petty) 5. Overrated players (Fritsch). The writing on the wall was no more clearly demonstrated than that timid loss to West Coast Eagles in Perth. Contrast that against a hungry up and coming Hawthorn who not only went to Perth to take on WCE but came away with a performance of a team going somewhere, which MFC sadly isn't. Goodwin and his backroom staff are average at best

The 'starter' for the demonland sourdough, unpredictable edition 

1 hour ago, Demonsterative said:

The reasoning here is way off 3165. 
 

Case in point Fritta being ‘overrated’. He is clearly dangerous and has preformed over a long period of time. Goodwin is a premiership coach. Chandler is the new ANB and his defensive pressure is very good. 
 

I don’t bag ppl for their negative view. I just point out the those who want to bag the club because they are not happy and blame individuals who are not the problem. 

 

My view is the top 4 to 6 players are down on form due to various reasons, and our bottom six are babies. 
 

I believe next year will be different. 

Then point that out with your point of view, yes I have been guilty of that but I have always put my point of view before people jump in, I will say this if more people did that then there would be less agro we can then debate the issue or if people think a topic has been flogged before don't comment then that post will just stop a natural death.

Not everyone will be happy with the club and as a forum this is a place for people to have a say right wrong or indifferent.  I am a big believer if someone can put an argument forward where I can see where they are coming and they are right I can admit that, people have to have an open mind both ways.

 

 

Edited July 2, 20241 yr by demon3165

42 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Then point that out with your point of view, yes I have been guilty of that but I have always put my point of view before people jump in, I will say this if more people did that then there would be less agro we can then debate the issue or if people think a topic has been flogged before don't comment then that post will just stop a natural death.

Not everyone will be happy with the club and as a forum this is a place for people to have a say right wrong or indifferent.  I am a big believer if someone can put an argument forward where I can see where they are coming and they are right I can admit that, people have to have an open mind both ways.

 

 

I’m very happy to call ppl up on their bulls#$t when they call our players without reason or qualifying their statement. That is my statement… calling it out. 
 

Capiche? 

14 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

I’m very happy to call ppl up on their bulls#$t when they call our players without reason or qualifying their statement. That is my statement… calling it out. 
 

Capiche? 

Point proved...

47 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Point proved...

Soz bud. But I’m not sure if people are being bagged for their negative attitude on here. They are being bagged for their short sighted week to week idea of the club and players. 
 

if the runs are on the board, then be respectful! 

1 hour ago, Demonsterative said:

I’m very happy to call ppl up on their bulls#$t when they call our players without reason or qualifying their statement. That is my statement… calling it out. 
 

Capiche? 

Are you not just “calling people out “ ( “on their bulls#$t” ) for having a different opinion to you?

 

Seems to be some misunderstanding about the Fritsch overrated comment. To be very clear, I am not talking about his overall form over the last 2 or 3 years. I'm referring to his contribution right now, when it's so badly needed. He has not been the same force for some time now. So, the 'overrated' comment relates to him right now, not the past. Also, an earlier reply asked who I barrack for. The answer is Melbourne. And I repeat, Simon Goodwin and his coaching staff are average at best and highly responsible for Melbourne being such a predictable team. It may have been said a thousand times but only one way to stop having it said altogether. Lose the predictability. I love the team but had them finishing just outside the eight from what I could see even before Round 1. 9th or 10th at best this year, and sorry, but I don't see them making the eight next year. They are TOO PREDICTABLE. Take that to the bank.

1 hour ago, Abyssal said:

Are you not just “calling people out “ ( “on their bulls#$t” ) for having a different opinion to you?

 

Their  Bulls#$t!!

1 hour ago, Van Demons Land said:

Seems to be some misunderstanding about the Fritsch overrated comment. To be very clear, I am not talking about his overall form over the last 2 or 3 years. I'm referring to his contribution right now, when it's so badly needed. He has not been the same force for some time now. So, the 'overrated' comment relates to him right now, not the past. Also, an earlier reply asked who I barrack for. The answer is Melbourne. And I repeat, Simon Goodwin and his coaching staff are average at best and highly responsible for Melbourne being such a predictable team. It may have been said a thousand times but only one way to stop having it said altogether. Lose the predictability. I love the team but had them finishing just outside the eight from what I could see even before Round 1. 9th or 10th at best this year, and sorry, but I don't see them making the eight next year. They are TOO PREDICTABLE. Take that to the bank.

I call out Bulls#$t here.
 

Fritta still averaging 2 goals a game or there abouts in 2024. 
 

Goodwin is a Premiership coach 

 

💩💩💩💩💩

7 hours ago, Demonsterative said:

I call out Bulls#$t here.
 

Fritta still averaging 2 goals a game or there abouts in 2024. 
 

Goodwin is a Premiership coach 

 

💩💩💩💩💩

And so was Leigh Matthew's 1 flag in 9 years at the pies and Malthouse at the pies.

7 hours ago, Demonsterative said:

Their  Bulls#$t!!

You will then have to prove that it is Bulls#$t 

Good luck with that!

13 minutes ago, Kent said:

You will then have to prove that it is Bulls#$t 

Good luck with 

Edited July 2, 20241 yr by Demonsterative

Fritta still averaging 2 goals a game or thereabouts in 2024. How nice for you and him. Unless I'm mistaken, he's there to kick goals every week. My point is about his current form. Your point is simply to defend him. So here are his goal stats over recent weeks - R11 v St Kilda = 2 goals. R12 v Fremantle = 0. R13 v Collingwood =1. R14 (Bye). R15 v North Melbourne = 0. R16 v Brisbane =1. If you are in any way able to keep your focus on current performances, defend this. I'm sure you'll find a way. All you have to do is go into the past while Melbourne continues to fall in the present, and Fritsch continues on a similar path of 'not enough goals'.

17 hours ago, roy11 said:

If we want to be unpredictable we need Sam Frost back. A true excitement machine, a football maverick, when he has the ball who knows what he will do next 

 

Frostball! Edge of your seat stuff.

Yermum ... 

Edited July 2, 20241 yr by Winners at last

19 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

5. Overrated players

Even if Fritta can be considered overrated, what’s this got to do with predictability? 🤔 

This question ⬆️ remains unanswered. 

12 hours ago, Van Demons Land said:

Seems to be some misunderstanding about the Fritsch overrated comment. To be very clear, I am not talking about his overall form over the last 2 or 3 years. I'm referring to his contribution right now, when it's so badly needed. He has not been the same force for some time now. So, the 'overrated' comment relates to him right now, not the past.

That’s all well and good. But again, what’s this got to do with us being predictable? I’m genuinely curious.

2 hours ago, Van Demons Land said:

Fritta still averaging 2 goals a game or thereabouts in 2024. How nice for you and him. Unless I'm mistaken, he's there to kick goals every week. My point is about his current form. Your point is simply to defend him. So here are his goal stats over recent weeks - R11 v St Kilda = 2 goals. R12 v Fremantle = 0. R13 v Collingwood =1. R14 (Bye). R15 v North Melbourne = 0. R16 v Brisbane =1. If you are in any way able to keep your focus on current performances, defend this. I'm sure you'll find a way. All you have to do is go into the past while Melbourne continues to fall in the present, and Fritsch continues on a similar path of 'not enough goals'.

Whereas I’m NOT defending him. He’s currently in a form slump, even he’ll tell you that. But I’m curious as to how his form slump contributes to our supposed predictability. 🤷‍♀️ 

If you wanna express your view that he’s overrated it would be less confusing (for me at least) if you’d do so in a relevant thread, or even a newly created thread. 

3 hours ago, Van Demons Land said:

Fritta still averaging 2 goals a game or thereabouts in 2024. How nice for you and him. Unless I'm mistaken, he's there to kick goals every week. My point is about his current form. Your point is simply to defend him. So here are his goal stats over recent weeks - R11 v St Kilda = 2 goals. R12 v Fremantle = 0. R13 v Collingwood =1. R14 (Bye). R15 v North Melbourne = 0. R16 v Brisbane =1. If you are in any way able to keep your focus on current performances, defend this. I'm sure you'll find a way. All you have to do is go into the past while Melbourne continues to fall in the present, and Fritsch continues on a similar path of 'not enough goals'.

Can't disagree that he's had a poor 5 weeks by his standards, but law of averages suggests that there's a 5, 6 or 7 goal game around the corner.

12 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Whereas I’m NOT defending him. He’s currently in a form slump, even he’ll tell you that. But I’m curious as to how his form slump contributes to our supposed predictability. 🤷‍♀️ 

If you wanna express your view that he’s overrated it would be less confusing (for me at least) if you’d do so in a relevant thread, or even a newly created thread. 

I think he is getting extra attention as sides have worked out that if you stop him you dry up our scoring options. Will be worse without Tracc to swing forward for periods.

Was certainly getting extra attention at the Gabba.

Just now, Left Foot Snap said:

I think he is getting extra attention as sides have worked out that if you stop him you dry up our scoring options. Will be worse without Tracc to swing forward for periods.

Was certainly getting extra attention at the Gabba.

That makes sense. Thanks for explaining 🙂

33 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

This question ⬆️ remains unanswered. 

That’s all well and good. But again, what’s this got to do with us being predictable? I’m genuinely curious.

Do I have to spell it out. If I'm an opposition AFL coach I predict that Fritsch is not going to kick a bag full of goals against my team anytime soon. therefore, I'll put an effective game plan in place knowing he is not the real deal. Last 5 Melbourne games Fritsch has a total of 4 goals. He is predictable. Low goal returns. You've now got your answer

33 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

This question ⬆️ remains unanswered. 

That’s all well and good. But again, what’s this got to do with us being predictable? I’m genuinely curious.

As regards to Fritta I thought the game against the lions was OK as for being  predictable he has some lazy moments during games where if he cannot get a one on one he has a tendency no to chase if he cannot get the ball out the back he drops his head and quite frankly if it's wet he can be a liability, that's called a front runner and that's predictable, but he has talent and sometimes you you have to take the good with the bad as he can deliver all teams have these types of players and we are no exception. 

13 hours ago, Van Demons Land said:

Seems to be some misunderstanding about the Fritsch overrated comment. To be very clear, I am not talking about his overall form over the last 2 or 3 years. I'm referring to his contribution right now, when it's so badly needed. He has not been the same force for some time now. So, the 'overrated' comment relates to him right now, not the past. Also, an earlier reply asked who I barrack for. The answer is Melbourne. And I repeat, Simon Goodwin and his coaching staff are average at best and highly responsible for Melbourne being such a predictable team. It may have been said a thousand times but only one way to stop having it said altogether. Lose the predictability. I love the team but had them finishing just outside the eight from what I could see even before Round 1. 9th or 10th at best this year, and sorry, but I don't see them making the eight next year. They are TOO PREDICTABLE. Take that to the bank.

I did notice a bit more urgency in his game, but remember he would be one of the easiest players in any forward line to keep away from the ball if it can be done under the cognisance of the several true maggots in our game

19 minutes ago, Van Demons Land said:

Do I have to spell it out. If I'm an opposition AFL coach I predict that Fritsch is not going to kick a bag full of goals against my team anytime soon. therefore, I'll put an effective game plan in place knowing he is not the real deal. Last 5 Melbourne games Fritsch has a total of 4 goals. He is predictable. Low goal returns. You've now got your answer

They did that last week. Fritsch played a selfless role to negate Andrews (who is a much bigger bloke than Fritta) and did damn well. 

To the extent that Petty clunked more marks than he has at any other time this year and Roo hit the scoreboard a couple of times. 

Fritsch also kicked a goal and missed a couple. That last shot was most unfortunate, didn't miss by much & he would generally nail it (and most importantly we might have managed a draw or even a sneaky win had he kicked it). 

Like a few others, signs were good v Brisbane. We'll know on Sunday if that form was fleeting or a sign of things to come.

19 minutes ago, Van Demons Land said:

Do I have to spell it out. If I'm an opposition AFL coach I predict that Fritsch is not going to kick a bag full of goals against my team anytime soon. therefore, I'll put an effective game plan in place knowing he is not the real deal. Last 5 Melbourne games Fritsch has a total of 4 goals. He is predictable. Low goal returns. You've now got your answer

Well yes, you DO have to spell it out as I clearly didn’t understand hence the asking of the question.

 Both @Left Foot Snap and @demon3165 explained it more than adequately and in a non-belligerent manner. Their answers suffice.