So here I was with some "free time" at work and was thinking about how many goaless qtrs we have had etc so I went through the games

0 score qtr - 2

0 goal qtr - 4

1 goal qtr - 9

2 goal qtr - 13

3 goal qtr - 6

4 goal qtr - 11

5 goal qtr - 9

6 goal qtr - 2

What I found slightly interesting was the fact that I'd deem a 3 goal qtr an AVG QTR and I would have expected that higher than a 2 goal qtr, yet we have had 6 total goaless/scoreless qtrs the same as 3 goal qtrs.

also the two times we have been scoreless in a QTR the game was decided by a small margin Carlton 1 pt, Roos 3.

I've always had a theory that a good team doesn't go goalless in a quarter of footy. Once in a blue moon is acceptable, the fact that we've had 6 already this year is alarming. 

Equally, it is depressing to see how often we've blown past the target we once had (Steven May revealed in a post-match interview back in 2021 or 22) for opposition score of 60 or less (15 pts per qtr). Achieved only twice this year (against Hawks and Tigers).

  On 24/06/2024 at 06:39, layzie said:

I've always had a theory that a good team doesn't go goalless in a quarter of footy. Once in a blue moon is acceptable, the fact that we've had 6 already this year is alarming. 

I feel like this isn't the only year either.

If I'm busy at work tomorrow I might look into it 😁

  On 24/06/2024 at 06:44, gs77 said:

Equally, it is depressing to see how often we've blown past the target we once had (Steven May revealed in a post-match interview back in 2021 or 22) for opposition score of 60 or less (15 pts per qtr). Achieved only twice this year (against Hawks and Tigers).

But in saying that, it's a bloody hard thing to do and teams now are more likely to try and play a faster high score game.

And we can't hold it in our f50 like we use too.

  On 24/06/2024 at 06:39, layzie said:

I've always had a theory that a good team doesn't go goalless in a quarter of footy. Once in a blue moon is acceptable, the fact that we've had 6 already this year is alarming. 

North have had one goalless quarter for the year and that was the first quarter in their win against WC. 

  On 24/06/2024 at 06:57, Gorgoroth said:

But in saying that, it's a bloody hard thing to do and teams now are more likely to try and play a faster high score game.

And we can't hold it in our f50 like we use too.

Yes that's a really good point - it was more achievable the way the game was played a few years back.

Apologies for the extent this will be stating the obvious - I'm just trying to lay it out in one place.

Our game under Roos-Goodwin has been built on;

1. Maintain a strong defensive effort all around the ground to restrict opposition scoring no matter the momentum of the game.

2. Keeping the scoreboard gradually ticking over even when we are under siege, using a clever and opportunistic forward line, more than because of any dominant target forwards.

3. Going hard when the momentum turns our way and sealing the game with runs of goals - particularly breaking out of clearances and contested play - whenever that chance arises.

The concept is clear enough and won us a premiership. Helped more than a little by a terrific surge in morale that meant there was a lot more of 'item 3' going on during perhaps the most dominant finals series of the AFL era.

Unfortunately;

1. Our defensive effort all around the ground is fatigued and for every hole that opens up it becomes mentally harder for the team to commit to the sustained maximum effort required.

2. Our forward line isn't keeping up a dangerous presence throughout games because too often the forwards are 'each and all' playing to be the goal-kickers rather than to be the creators of opportunities.

3. We currently don't have the potency in our midfield to no only win the ball but also have a decisive moment of dominance to get quality clearances - so there's minimal chance of ever really seizing momentum or intimidating the opposition midfield.

So, a steadier flow of goals against us, very few goals kicked by us against the general momentum, and very few counter-punches to put games out of reach of the opposition.

 

I'd argue that if we fix one of these problems, we'll claw our way into the 8 by season's end. Fix two and we'll be taken seriously as a competitor in finals. Of course, if we manage to fix all three then we are back into the serious contender category.

 

  On 24/06/2024 at 07:51, Little Goffy said:

Apologies for the extent this will be stating the obvious - I'm just trying to lay it out in one place.

Our game under Roos-Goodwin has been built on;

1. Maintain a strong defensive effort all around the ground to restrict opposition scoring no matter the momentum of the game.

2. Keeping the scoreboard gradually ticking over even when we are under siege, using a clever and opportunistic forward line, more than because of any dominant target forwards.

3. Going hard when the momentum turns our way and sealing the game with runs of goals - particularly breaking out of clearances and contested play - whenever that chance arises.

The concept is clear enough and won us a premiership. Helped more than a little by a terrific surge in morale that meant there was a lot more of 'item 3' going on during perhaps the most dominant finals series of the AFL era.

Unfortunately;

1. Our defensive effort all around the ground is fatigued and for every hole that opens up it becomes mentally harder for the team to commit to the sustained maximum effort required.

2. Our forward line isn't keeping up a dangerous presence throughout games because too often the forwards are 'each and all' playing to be the goal-kickers rather than to be the creators of opportunities.

3. We currently don't have the potency in our midfield to no only win the ball but also have a decisive moment of dominance to get quality clearances - so there's minimal chance of ever really seizing momentum or intimidating the opposition midfield.

So, a steadier flow of goals against us, very few goals kicked by us against the general momentum, and very few counter-punches to put games out of reach of the opposition.

 

I'd argue that if we fix one of these problems, we'll claw our way into the 8 by season's end. Fix two and we'll be taken seriously as a competitor in finals. Of course, if we manage to fix all three then we are back into the serious contender category.

 

Lever will help shore up the Defence, maybe Rivs and sparrow take the next step and help Viney and Clarrie comes good, but there is no way I see our forwards being dominant or be8ng able to hold the ballin especially with Nibbler tagging.

  On 24/06/2024 at 08:06, Gorgoroth said:

Lever will help shore up the Defence, maybe Rivs and sparrow take the next step and help Viney and Clarrie comes good, but there is no way I see our forwards being dominant or be8ng able to hold the ballin especially with Nibbler tagging.

For the forwards all we need to some honest competition and selflessness to come back in.

Remembering that in one of the most dominant and high-scoring finals campaigns ever, our tall forwards were Brown and McDonald, who between them kicked 1 goal (of 13) against Brisbane, 3 goals (of 19) against Geelong, and 5 (of 21 - ha ha funny every time) against the Bulldogs.

Just 8 out of 53 goals in the finals came from genuine tall target forwards. Meanwhile, Charlie Spargo got 4.

All our forward line needs is some consistent contests to be offered by Van Rooyen and Petty, and for Fritsch to take some coloxyl and probiotics, and we are back in business there.

Hmm, not sure 'all we need' was the right phrasing - it is a major task, but an achievable one.

  On 24/06/2024 at 09:29, Little Goffy said:

For the forwards all we need to some honest competition and selflessness to come back in.

Remembering that in one of the most dominant and high-scoring finals campaigns ever, our tall forwards were Brown and McDonald, who between them kicked 1 goal (of 13) against Brisbane, 3 goals (of 19) against Geelong, and 5 (of 21 - ha ha funny every time) against the Bulldogs.

Just 8 out of 53 goals in the finals came from genuine tall target forwards. Meanwhile, Charlie Spargo got 4.

All our forward line needs is some consistent contests to be offered by Van Rooyen and Petty, and for Fritsch to take some coloxyl and probiotics, and we are back in business there.

Hmm, not sure 'all we need' was the right phrasing - it is a major task, but an achievable one.

Those two goals that Tmac got in the GF were in junk time.

  On 24/06/2024 at 09:44, John Crow Batty said:

Those two goals that Tmac got in the GF were in junk time.

HEATHEN! I CAST YE OUT!

Tommy remains the only player in AFL history to kick a goal after the siren while seventeen men dry-humped ten metres to the left of the mark.

  On 24/06/2024 at 11:39, Little Goffy said:

HEATHEN! I CAST YE OUT!

Tommy remains the only player in AFL history to kick a goal after the siren while seventeen men dry-humped ten metres to the left of the mark.

Is that in any game, or specifically in a grand final? 😅

 

  On 24/06/2024 at 09:44, John Crow Batty said:

Those two goals that Tmac got in the GF were in junk time.

There is no junk time in a Grand Final! There is only celebration time! You don't strike me as someone who has played in a winning Grand Final team, but I may be wrong! If you did, and happened to kick a goal when the game was already in the bag, did you apologise to your teammates in the rooms after the game for kicking that goal in junk time?

  On 24/06/2024 at 07:51, Little Goffy said:

Apologies for the extent this will be stating the obvious - I'm just trying to lay it out in one place.

Our game under Roos-Goodwin has been built on;

1. Maintain a strong defensive effort all around the ground to restrict opposition scoring no matter the momentum of the game.

2. Keeping the scoreboard gradually ticking over even when we are under siege, using a clever and opportunistic forward line, more than because of any dominant target forwards.

3. Going hard when the momentum turns our way and sealing the game with runs of goals - particularly breaking out of clearances and contested play - whenever that chance arises.

The concept is clear enough and won us a premiership. Helped more than a little by a terrific surge in morale that meant there was a lot more of 'item 3' going on during perhaps the most dominant finals series of the AFL era.

Unfortunately;

1. Our defensive effort all around the ground is fatigued and for every hole that opens up it becomes mentally harder for the team to commit to the sustained maximum effort required.

2. Our forward line isn't keeping up a dangerous presence throughout games because too often the forwards are 'each and all' playing to be the goal-kickers rather than to be the creators of opportunities.

3. We currently don't have the potency in our midfield to no only win the ball but also have a decisive moment of dominance to get quality clearances - so there's minimal chance of ever really seizing momentum or intimidating the opposition midfield.

So, a steadier flow of goals against us, very few goals kicked by us against the general momentum, and very few counter-punches to put games out of reach of the opposition.

 

I'd argue that if we fix one of these problems, we'll claw our way into the 8 by season's end. Fix two and we'll be taken seriously as a competitor in finals. Of course, if we manage to fix all three then we are back into the serious contender category.

 

Thanks Goffy
 

A great summation on what we were and what we are.
 

Can you please go and give the guys a pep talk, or coach the coaches?

  On 24/06/2024 at 07:12, Jjrogan said:

North have had one goalless quarter for the year and that was the first quarter in their win against WC. 

Hmmm, maybe you actually need to have them to win games of footy 😜

  On 24/06/2024 at 11:39, Little Goffy said:

HEATHEN! I CAST YE OUT!

Tommy remains the only player in AFL history to kick a goal after the siren while seventeen men dry-humped ten metres to the left of the mark.

OK, I’m sorry!

  On 24/06/2024 at 12:43, monoccular said:

Thanks Goffy
 

A great summation on what we were and what we are.
 

Can you please go and give the guys a pep talk, or coach the coaches?

I'm writing a book right now.